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Vic00:00:30hello and welcome to another edition of the sub beacon sponsored by quip electric toothbrush and robin hood i'm victoria manis along with sonny bunch and jonathan v last i'd like to remind you the sub beacon is available on itunes and google play just look at a podcast and search for sub beacon you'll easily find us please subscribe tell your friends and leave a review gentlemen how are we jvl what is going on boys we have presents it sounded like props earlier and i didn't want to jump the gun on
JVL00:01:21that i received a package addressed to the three of us at my home last week shortly after we had taped and i bring it in now for you there are gifts for all three of us oh my goodness should i be scared or oh wow a t-shirt a t-shirt from the sub beacon expanded universe oh boy look at that they have their own t-shirt that's beautiful they have their own t-shirt and the that's just a warm
Vic00:01:50up gift what does it say on the back on the back of the t-shirt it says dudes chatting since 2016 quote i'm sure it's fine but again that's the warm-up that's the main attraction oh you're
JVL00:02:05kidding me look at that a t-shirt with got gout in the got milk font and then on the back don't watch these are from the nikachu oh the nikachu yes a very a key member i don't remember where he is on the org chart but a key member of the sub-standard sub-beacon sorry expanded universe and he sent them for all of us they're fantastic they're great do we each have
Sonny00:02:35one of these shirts yes oh good so there's we each got two shirts we each got two shirts man
JVL00:02:39it's like christmas thank you to nikachu and i i'm hoping that the nikachu will make these available for sale for listeners who would like to go get them yeah you know what nikachu if you will email us about them i will tweet out no i won't do it but vick and sonny will tweet out the cafe press or whatever but they're both great we'll take a very small cut think what's it very
Vic00:03:02god gout 50 god gout is brilliant i haven't seen that anywhere so i i really hope that's original
JVL00:03:08because i could get that could be hot that could be that's gonna be the next thing you could see
Vic00:03:11this like up in brooklyn becoming a real thing oh my god especially there when everyone's eating sweet breads up there they're gonna love it that's what i've got guys that's very nice thank you
JVL00:03:20thank you thank you the nikachu thank you is it just nikachu or the nikachu i mean oh his twitter but i mean when we speak when we address him do you address him just as mr nikachu the honorable
Sonny00:03:32sir nikachu yeah okay i like the chav nikachu well i don't i i'd have i don't i wouldn't feel comfortable calling my chav that's not the wrong with it it's an insult to call someone a chav no we've taken it back no we know you haven't it's still an insult sonny how are you um i'm fine i'm fine uh i uh i i don't really have anything to talk about in terms of my life well i was i had
Vic00:04:00one question about your life how are your how are you feeling how are your sides feeling how is your
Sonny00:04:05rib cage yeah it's good i it feels better this week i can't remember if we talked about this last week but i ran i ran into i it's like the most middle-aged injury that i've ever suffered i was chasing my daughter around the house you know playing playing a game and i ran into one of those like swinging gates but i didn't run into it in the way it swings i ran into it kind of perpendicular to it and i thought i had broken a rib i thought i i thought i like it knocked the wind out of me i thought i'd straight up cracked a rib is your wife beating you no i walked into a door i walked into a door last night uh uh and it was it like a day later it felt fine it felt fine i actually like went to the gym looked out and and then like three or four days later it was just agonizingly painful like i couldn't bend down to tie my shoes i couldn't like bend down to pick things up i was it got to the point where when i was taking deep breaths it actually hurt uh but it feels better now feels better so it's whatever whatever it was okay whatever it was it wasn't it means it was not a broken it was probably not a broken room maybe a bruised rib maybe like a sprained muscle in the rib cage you're breathing you're breathing fine now i'm i mean i'm breathing as well as i you're still coughing up blood or no more uh well the peeing the blood in the urine has stopped so that's okay that's good you that's good to know good uh but yeah no i feel i feel better i feel better um that's uh was there anything else on your mind no i well i just wanted to give uh we're not going to talk about it this week uh we probably won't talk about it next week but i just wanted to give a quick shout out to a movie called dragged across concrete which i reviewed last week in conjunction with us which we will be talking about this week um and i like a lot it's the best movie i've seen so far this year it's from s craig zahler who is uh kind of a he's an indie filmmaker who is best known for two relatively spectacularly brutal movies called uh one is bone tomahawk which is a western horror film and the other is brawl and cell block 99 which is the vince vaughn movie which is about a guy who uh goes to prison because it's i it does i'm not going to explain the whole plot but it these are both like kind of noted noted reactionary films uh the the villain the villain in brawl and cell block 99 is a hispanic drug lord who hires a korean abortionist to uh forcibly abort vince vaughn's child if vince vaughn does not do the things that he wants oh uh so a the in in and bone tomahawk the very dark villains are the villains are these uh a cannibalistic like subhuman uh native american tribe there's a there's a native character that i'm sorry haven't they suffered enough well this is why this is uh these these films are very much uh in in the kind of throwback and dragged across concrete is also problematic so dragged across concrete stars mel gibson uh and vince vaughn as okay that's a great duo cops as cops who get arrested for uh physically abusing a minority suspect allegedly or they get they get the well not really i mean the the so they those are two of the main characters there's another main character who is not in any of the advertising and is getting kind of downplayed in the uh the the reviews of the film who's a he's an african american ex-con who is out of prison and he's he's uh part of this heist that mel gibson and vince vaughn then decide they want to rip off so it's it's there's there's it's like varying shades of bad basically anyway the movie's extremely good uh and it is it is again quite reactionary uh don johnson plays a character in the film he plays lieutenant calvert who has a whole rant about pc culture and how the worst thing you can be called these days is a racist even if it's not true and it's fantastic it's just fantastically amusingly uh reactionary so i i highly recommend it it's on vod now it's playing at a few theaters around i actually i watched a screener link and then i went to go see it in a theater it's playing in one theater in the region it's playing at the arclight bethesda so i went up to the arclight bethesda for the first time very nice well i i
Vic00:08:18i saw your i saw your review and then i was wondering when it says vod does that mean like
Sonny00:08:23video on demand yes it means like it means net well i mean usually it generally means uh pay on video yeah you can you can rent voodoo rent it on amazon or youtube or hulu or you know
Vic00:08:38what you know what two movies that interest me uh one on netflix now is dirt which is the motley crew biopic also problematic motley crew i'd love to see that i think that would be interesting to talk about i know aaron harrison is very excited oh i'm sure he is and uh the other one of course on march 29 is the highwayman have you seen that one yet or no that's kevin costner woody harrelson
Sonny00:08:58is that not out i thought i had thought on netflix you know what it's out it's out now but it comes to netflix on march 29 so i'm excited about i'm excited for that one i saw i saw a bunch of like uh my liberal film critic friends kind of making fun of this like oh what if it was bonnie and clyde but the cops were the good guys i was like cops were the good guys because bonnie and clyde were bad they were yeah bonnie and clyde were murderous villains yeah but who have been romanticized by warren beattie and faye dunaway you disgusting boomers yeah well there you go okay good anyway
Vic00:09:29dragged across concrete see it victorino yeah how was your weekend oh my gosh i had the most wonderful weekend because uh as you know sunday was a gorgeous day in the washington area and the weather was great and it was sunny it was hardly a cloud in the sky and uh i haven't played golf in in many years and i got invited to play by our friend our sub beacon friend dan uh who invited me to play at tpc potomac that's a public course that is not a public course
JVL00:10:00they know it's only one of the best public courses yeah it's right up there with haynes point what
Vic00:10:05it's right up there with haynes point and uh people who aren't golf people can you explain what this is tpc tpc is a is a corporate chain of golf courses supposedly some of them are public uh but uh the really great ones obviously are private like tpc sawgrass where they just had uh the tournament uh the other weekend and uh tpc tpc stands for the players championship yeah i think so i forget what the c is but definitely the yeah something like that and uh so there's tpc sawgrass and then up here there's tpc potomac so it is a pro level uh course 18 holes designed by um master architects and golf players it's not a mini golf course no it's not no no it's not johnny and uh then in fact in june they're playing the quick and loons tournament there so i got to play on the course where uh in june i'll get to see the same players uh actually play golf there like real people as opposed to what i did which was murdered my way through 18 holes what t's did you hit off oh a silver so in the middle i would the old person t's no no i think that's like middle okay old is all the way i think in the front old might be in front of ladies in front of ladies tournament players club thank you tournament tournament players club and uh the back dan was listening to that whole thing i know driving saying sorry about it i forgot what's wrong with course championship uh so i was glad that we didn't go from all the way back because i would have been basically driving from uh that t to the ladies t that would be my first shot and then from there uh it was a brutal brutal course how long are you
JVL00:11:47off the t uh like how far do i yes how far is your initial how far can you drive i don't know
Vic00:11:53you drive the ball i would say on average okay not counting uh last sunday between short 150 to 200 i'm not i'm missing something in my swing that's pretty good it's okay it depends uh this was more like 150 if you're more like 100 150 on sunday if you're hitting off the ladies t's it's fine yeah it's uh it's uh the worst part is like oh you know and it's great and i brought my uh father-in-law uh dr uh dr bob dwyer and uh the other person our fourth son was dan's friend dr ed who's chief vascular surgeon at washington med star so really it was a very accomplished foursome yeah two doctors and a doctor's son at the top of their game question for people did you did you
Sonny00:12:34did you catch any dangling modifiers while they were safe while they as you know there was there was an emergency on the course somebody was like quick we need a copy editor i i just knew that in
Vic00:12:45case anything happened to me vascularly or urologically that i was good for 18 holes uh and but they were very nice and very patient uh with me also in my defense the course was being aerated so it wasn't this well that's the problem that's why but i did one highlight and it was one was sinking what uh dr wu said was about a 70 foot putt it was very far that's a good putt yeah and and then it was all downhill from there the i was going to say this uh jayville the worst was you know oh you get it there's it's all gps so it tells you how many yards you're away based on your cart but it's cart path only so you have to leave and that means me walking all the way across the course to the woods or wherever and uh then but then you would get to like a par three oh thank goodness it's a par three and it's like 200 yards for the par three and what i really wanted to do is like take my driver but you know i did what what are you hitting off a three 200 yard par three are you is it your three iron i'm using a five wood and i was obsessed with it because i i was so bad could you reach with a five wood from there no and i was so bad with a five wood but i was obsessed with finally trying to get it trying to get it finally in the drink before you got um i put i put a few in i lost all my balls by the end i was borrowing my father-in-law
Sonny00:14:00question did you did you knowing that you were going some beacon quotes is gonna love that one no knowing that you were going to a very fancy golf course yes did you make a special trip to the store to get up some like pro v1s no no i wanted you did you tell you what i wanted to do did you get some fancy golf balls or were you using the crap you usually use i well there
Vic00:14:23were i know i they were pretty good balls that i had uh but uh again all of it was was gone what i wanted to do was go into the uh uh you know the the club store the clubhouse the pro shop and buy you know things that say you know tpc potomac and i totally forgot i got so excited i forgot you
Sonny00:14:42know you didn't buy a new uh golf golf glove i could have used a new golf glove i took a picture of that vick sends me a picture of i'm not i'm out of my element here or something like that and it just it's his his golf it's his glove that he wears on his hand while he's playing looks like it has exploded right it is it is like
JVL00:14:58a hobo's glove it was like a whole flap you can see your palm through your golf club yeah because the the leather stitching is ripped up yeah what did you shoot oh i oh believe me i didn't take i
Vic00:15:10was not uh keeping score i was i think there were a couple holes that i got a double bogey on and i was pleased about that they're all i'm sure if dan's listening now he's like that's totally not true maybe one hole uh was and uh but what did the other guys in your foursome shoot they were oh here's an interesting thing they made it so comfortable for us that a lot of the times they said you know this is march this is like a time to get out all the kinks so they were taking a lot of mulligans too like oh i'm just gonna take you know maybe three shots to get on the gate so it was totally relaxed and casual and then we get to the ninth hole and then uh you know dr boo gets on the phone like oh what do you guys want for lunch anything you know whatever you want and i'm like well what do they you know my father-in-law is like uh do they have a turkey sandwich you know and he's like of course they haven't uh what kind of bread do you want the bread toasted i mean it was everything and then they come over in the cart with you know it was the greenest lettuce i've ever seen and and the fries were great and then of course you know i
JVL00:16:01had my name on the on the locker locker room the locker locker room because you sent us a picture
Vic00:16:05of your own brass plate on your locker well i didn't again again i took very few pictures because i didn't want to be like uh the tourist no i didn't want to be like you know rodney dangerous remember rodney dangerous friend look at this right now rodney did hey woo it's hey woo what's with the picture hey it's a parking lot that's what he says right because he's taking a picture of the club parking lot you can get that on youtube hey woo it's like wang hey wang it's like it goes this is my friend this is my friend mr wang no offense do you remember that one no offense did you wear plaid pants i was gonna do it you know like me and al cervic al cervic right that was uh it's okay so all i could think of was wang this this was real life caddyshack it was it was real life caddyshack i said i didn't want to be wang hey it's a parking lot so i didn't do that i took and dan with the chevy chase character oh he totally is right this is perfect totally that and uh and so i but my at the end my my final was like take take the nameplate you know take it take it home i said i didn't want to do that you know but but it was it was the fanciest i mean the bathrooms were so clean i almost wanted to use the bathroom there just because it was so take a nap yeah i know to take a nap in the bat in the stall it was so nice so people are very friendly there and but the only the the one problem is it does it's just like if you ever have an opportunity to get an upgrade on a flight it is very hard to go back i think it's be very hard for me to go back on a public course you'll just
Sonny00:17:23you'll never be able to play golf no i don't think so retire but let me say this though let
Vic00:17:26me say this and i got me thinking you know for other sub-beacon listeners out there who belong to prestigious clubs i will play i will contact me if you're in the washington area i will play i will offer repartee that's i'm good at that anybody anybody who's a member at congressional congressional burning tree you want a minimal fee to minimal fee i charge a minimum fee for
JVL00:17:47appearance i do there's an appearance fee as you know okay so anyway i'll come along i won't play
Vic00:17:53golf i'll just come along you totally downplay it you could not have been worse than me so there's
Sonny00:17:58a 100 well considering i could barely breathe the weekend you were you were doing and you're turning your body in weird ways i would definitely i would have been especially bad this week but i you were there's you've played with me before you're better than me i don't remember and i played like i played yeah we played we played we went to that and i was terrible and i've only played like two rounds of golf since then so i could not possibly be any better than i was that
JVL00:18:23i could come and caddy as a former professional caddy you were a professional caddy i was a professional caddy in high school where were you the tavistock country club in haddonfield new jersey haddonfield the worst job i ever had in what sense i include mcdonald's i include telemarketing i include hospital orderly there is no job i ever had that i hated more i
Vic00:18:53but i think of caddy shack the movie it's something like that question question yeah
Sonny00:18:56so it's bad because because of the people you had to deal with yes okay okay it's not the work
Vic00:19:03itself is not fellow caddies or players members the members the members the members were bad
JVL00:19:09oh you know i wanted to murder all of them i want to know where all of my it's all coming it comes from being at a at a suburban country club with a bunch of like doctors and lawyers who thought that pharmaceutical execs no no not pharmacy this is what drove me crazy they were suburban doctors and lawyers no offense who acted as if they were out of a tom wolf novel masters of the universe and i thought to myself i don't know what do you make 175 grand a year you do not own a building in manhattan right oh god i hated them so much i uh i i also
Sonny00:19:49worked at a country club did you fredericksburg country club i did what did you do there sonny i but we they it did not it's it's a small enough club that it didn't really have caddies it was but i was like shagging balls off the driving range and cleaning carts and you know making sure shagging ball there's a great quote for you clubs making sure clubs were clean that's in in that sort of thing uh and it was actually it was actually a really solid job because like there was not a ton of interaction with the members and the ones who did interact with us were generally pretty nice like it was like local judges and stuff you know like like very very friendly very friendly
JVL00:20:23so i this is where i learned to love the overclass well there was there was a moment i remember at uh at country well when i said to one of the uh to one of the members as we were wrapping up and he had shot like a 137 and oh my score was like really you know of course the people who shoot the highest scores are always the ones who are the most fastidious about everything as if oh god i might get a 138 if i don't die right i said to him there's a storm coming
Sonny00:20:53mr wayne very nice but uh my father wearing the cocktail dress when you said that maybe
Vic00:20:59uh my father never belonged to a country club he still prefers the public course that's because he's a man of the people he's a doctor of the people and he doesn't mind getting paired up i mean you know how they say oh you're going to be joined by somebody it's him you know like if you have like if you're a threesome oh you're gonna be somebody's gonna join it's usually him uh he for some reason just prefers the public course um but anyway i just want to say uh again thank you to dan uh who is extremely generous and kind as always as you know um and also uh dr ed woo very nice very kind i felt like i had a lot in common with him uh because dr woo i will be seeing you in 15 years for my cabbage i'll be yeah i'll yes that's right i'll see him in five years uh and we'll see you in five years yes and and and so uh he is obviously he is asian-american i'm asian-american he grew up in new jersey i grew up in new jersey he's from and he went to uh uh penn you penn and he was there for many years and of course now he's a uh the the head uh cardiovascular surgeon and i'm uh a future patient i'm future patient i don't think they can afford it no i don't think i'm really quite like him i guess you could say i'm more like his evil twin speaking of evil twins over the weekend oh us us a plus plus thank you us sliced its way to the top of the box office with 70 million followed by captain mark marvel with 35 million and in third place wonder park with 9 million gentlemen box office thoughts
Sonny00:22:30us was the monster i thought it would be us us made a lot of money was it the second highest grossing original uh well it there there are a lot of different ways i've seen people break this down the the the highest grossing original r-rated movie and also the original highest grossing or the the most the highest grossing original largest
JVL00:22:57opening ever for a live action original picture wow okay okay yeah i mean it's it's a weird
Sonny00:23:04i it's but this also i i have some issues with this because it's there this is counting the passion of the christ as an adaptation oh which strikes me as oh you think it's fiction i mean it's well no it's not it's not i mean it's it is kind of adapted from the the bible i guess but like or from real life you know whatever from history yeah well
Vic00:23:29pacifist josephus uh is this going to be bigger than get out us
JVL00:23:34it would be hard for it to not gross more than get out i mean like here's get out a tree have attrition of like 20 percent per week or something like that though let me let me get out was a genuine sensation right will this be the same get out grossed 176 million dollars domestic
Sonny00:23:52oh i find i find it hard to believe that this won't gross 170 million dollars despite domestically but get out get get out was a was a slow burn i mean it it only grossed only i mean it grossed 33 million dollars its opening weekend which is a big number for a movie that cost five million bucks to make from a first-time director with no real stars i mean and and then after that it was it had drops of 15 percent 26 percent 35 percent 34 percent so it held for a long time it had a us is going to be uh i would be i mean it's starting so high i i have a hard time believing it's going to be better than three but a multiple of three on an r-rated horror film is very good and a multiple of three on a 70 million dollar film is a 70 million dollar opening is extremely good uh it's going to gross you know let's say it grosses between 200 and 225 million dollars it means it made 10 times its budget back um is that good it's good that's good uh so
JVL00:24:52it's a huge hit it's how big a star is jordan peele now is jordan peele now a name brand director in the way that christopher nolan and steven spielberg are i yes absolutely i mean this
Sonny00:25:04this movie is 100 the success of this movie is 100 predicated upon from jordan peele the director of get out uh and we all know jordan peele of course is rebooting the twilight zone he's like been all over the cbs uh networks with twilight zone ads and he is he is like a legit i think he is a legit name brand director that uh can open a movie on his own which is something that we have very very few of i think even spielberg is kind of slipping out of that category um
JVL00:25:35nolan i mean christopher nolan might be the only one right christopher finchers doesn't count like that anymore yeah fincher works so infrequently now that on a tangent do we know what the nolan
Vic00:25:47project is or no no you don't even have an you don't have an inside thing sonny i don't
Sonny00:25:52know i have no idea okay all right all right and tarantino tarantino would be the i mean yeah that's right quentin tarantino's ninth film is how they're marketing yes upon a time in hollywood which is a movie that stars leonardo dicaprio and brad pitt i mean it's like yeah
Vic00:26:07great trailer until people realize what the movie's about i haven't seen the what is what is the movie about it's about someone can someone explain oh yeah so it's it's about the manson murders oh the tarantino movie i thought yeah oh get out no no no or uh so i mean and it's like i it's it's a fantastic trailer and i and margot robey looks great but she's sharon tate do i really want to see that happen no
Sonny00:26:34i'm curious to see what exactly they do right with is it a post is it is it them is brad pitt is supposed to be the detectives he figured it out a friend suggested me to me that it is not an inglorious bastard style uh rewrite of history oh that it will be more of a rose and kranz and gildenstern are dead periphery of history periphery of yeah they're there because
Vic00:26:58i think they're probably the neighbors in the canyon anyway something like something like that and captain marvel has made now a trillion dollars is that correct captain marvel 910 million i
Sonny00:27:07believe worldwide uh as of the weekend i actually don't know what it's at right now let me let me just pull it up real quick yeah uh 918 as of march 26th i can't believe it's not at 9 50 i mean
JVL00:27:20the world we live in that doesn't let a great film like this get to 950 million yeah in only 18 days i was it's just why don't we have roles strong female leads anymore it's really what has happened it's really it's really a shame
Sonny00:27:38i'm very concerned it's funny i was i was doing my kind of standard tweeting about the box office this weekend and noted that captain marvel is not holding particularly well it's not holding poorly exactly it dropped 55 percent which is about which is on the high end of the marvel movies but not not outrageously so and it dropped another 50 this weekend um you compare that to wonder woman or black panther or these other kind of real phenomenons aquaman aquaman god help us well aquaman aquaman made most of its money or it held pretty well aquaman held well aqua i you know my theory on aquaman that aquaman was filling the star wars spot yes from this december because star wars foolishly released a movie in may and that's right december that's right so aquaman was just absorbing that that christmas season blockbuster energy uh so i i you know i'm not i i but it's it's not it's not holding particularly well it's not holding particularly terribly it's just having kind of average drops and i you know the reason for this is that it's not particularly good and people were just angry at me oh i bet how dare you too many white men going to movies how dare you suggest that this movie is not good how dare you suggest it's not the biggest success ever like it's i mean it's making a ton of money it's gonna make a billion dollars like
JVL00:28:52i said why do you hate this movie so much sonny what about it do you like this movie i don't know
Sonny00:28:57it probably has something to do with the fact that it's about a woman i think it's the fact that a lady hero a lady hero i just can't handle it i can't handle it man b plus anyway uh sonny uh
Vic00:29:09so uh did we did we all see us jvl 100 no i the two of you tried to troll me into going to see it
Sonny00:29:17i'm so disappointed i'm so disappointed in you it's not that scary it's not that scary
JVL00:29:22and i was like yeah that's it's not i said i believe i texted you back the admiral akbar
Sonny00:29:27gif yeah it's a trap it's not that scary it's not that it's not i was expecting scared and
Vic00:29:33after a while you get it sort of acclimated to and you're like oh okay so you did not see it
Sonny00:29:38sonny how about a real review okay so us is the latest film from jordan peele as we just discussed uh it is about a family that goes on vacation to the beach uh but before we get to that there's a prelude of sorts where where it's 1986 and the this girl is watching a hands across america ad right now on a on a if you if you pay attention to the the movie it is filled with these little easter eggs because jordan peele is very much kind of a nerd who likes to have his little references so the the hands across america ad is playing on you know kind of an old school tube tv uh as one would expect in 1986 and on the shelf next to the tv there are vhs tapes one of which is goonies one chud uh chuds chud or chuds the cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers uh which is which is a which is kind of both of these films are kind of a hint as to what is coming um there's a we're going underground we're going underground here folks uh so anyway uh starts off as a this prelude in the 1980s this girl goes to a a boardwalk amusement park and is gets separated from her parents wanders into a hall of mirrors sees herself but it's not a reflection it's her uh and then we cut we cut into the future i'm sorry it's not a reflection it's her it's not a reflection it's her what does that mean it's the it's like her she's it's like a double you know it's not a mirror it's not a mirror it's not a mirror it's like it's her actual the girl the girl there's two versions there's two of the girls in the in the room uh so the we cut it we cut forward to present day the this girl has grown up her family is headed back to the santa cruz beach that's where it was and they she doesn't want to go down to the beach she still has kind of some lingering trauma over whatever happened to her in that hall of mirrors uh and her family kind of guilts her into it they go to the beach they're hanging out with their annoyingly wealthy white friends uh played wonderfully by tim heidecker and elizabeth moss i'm a huge fan of tim heidecker just in general and i'm glad that he is given something really to do here usually in movies he is a little more than a bit player who people are like hey look it's tim heidecker uh but tim heidecker is a uh he he is for the last i don't know 15 or 20 years been kind of this weird dadaist comedian on the cartoon network there's a show called tim and tim and eric awesome show great job very weird very funny uh if you're into that sort of thing anyway so uh the the family then goes home uh the the african-american family goes home they they uh are settling down for the night and uh another family shows up in their driveway a family doubles and we this is this is when the horror starts there's uh there's some there's some there's some there's some tormenting of the family they put them all in a room and the the uh i'm trying to remember what the character's name is adelaide her double uh it was played by lupita niango both both characters lupita niango is she the oldest daughter is she the wife what what is lupita niango is the the girl grown old the girl from the original she's now the
JVL00:32:52mother she's now the mother of the family she's the mother understood um uh talks to the doubles
Sonny00:32:58and they're like what are you doing why are you doing this who are you and the double lupita responds we're americans so here's the this is they're all dressed in like prison garb they're dressed in like prison overalls they all are like uh they've they've been forced to live underground and as as trolls and they're eating cold rabbit meat for their meals and they're given toys that them and it's like it's this the the metaphor of this movie is that the underclass is going to come up and uh and murder the the overclass this is why i think you would have really enjoyed the film JVL in addition to it being funny and it is funny it is legitimately funny throughout i haven't really talked about we'll get to that the humor the humor in the film and it is it is funny it is funny throughout winston duke is very funny uh tim heidecker again very funny elizabeth moss doesn't do a ton for me but she's okay here um their movie is very funny it is very much about class warfare this is not a movie about race in the way that get out was i don't think um this is much more about class uh struggle um to the point that should we can we go full spoilers here okay spoilers we're gonna go full spoilers i i can't have a conversation if you don't we all we always go full spoilers so it turns out that the girl from the underground uh kidnapped the the the girl from the overground and chained her up downstairs in the underground basement evil you know lair where all these doubles hang out uh and came up herself and she she is living with the family so the family so she is the mother she so the mother the mother in that we have we have watched throughout is
JVL00:34:44actually the evil double they pulled the switcheroo so she shouldn't be surprised by any of this
Sonny00:34:49well yes so we'll get we'll get to this in a second uh so she pulls the switcheroo and the the girl who had lived in the aboveground and who had lived in the world of comfort and luxury uh is now forced to live amongst the tormented underclass and she throws off their blinders and destroys their false consciousness and leads them up in a rebellion against the the the overclasses it's very much it's it's very very marxist and it's very much uh a reminder that the the uh you know revolutions always come from the wealthy basically led by the wealthy against other wealthy people anyway uh so this is the the problem with the movie is that none of this makes any sense really yeah i have a lot of questions i'll ask later none of this makes any sense that there's no explanation really for what the doubles are uh they're called tethers in this film there's some there's some they share a soul because they share a soul well that's what they say but like how does that work exactly there there's some suggestion that there was a there was an experiment a cloning experiment that they could create the the body but not the soul and they share the soul and they're when they're underground they're doing all the same things as the people above ground just kind of in pantomime and it's it's whatever it it doesn't make any sense it doesn't actually if you give it 10 seconds of thought the whole movie falls down for reasons like shouldn't the mother have known about this awful underground horror society right that she has condemned her seven year previous seven-year-old self to and maybe maybe she would uh avoid going back to that area at all ever and you never do it
Vic00:36:31there's there's truth in the bumper stickers keep Santa Cruz weird yeah and there you go uh and
Sonny00:36:37I mean like so there's there's there's that problem there there's just the fact that none of it really makes any sense as a fable as kind of a horror fable about the um the ways that we experience poverty and suffering around us I think it's pretty effective I think it's more or less effective um but you know your mileage may vary on this sort of thing so in the end did you like it I did I did I actually did I thought again I thought it's a very effective comedy movie with horror elements okay um it is it is it is it it sacrifices scares for laughs which are friends of mine who are very much horror buffs were annoyed by this movie they were like well you know that is not what the trailer promised I know that it's very different absolutely very different from the trailer horror buff friends of mine were annoyed by the film because it it sacrifices scares and suspense and tension for jokes it will it will it Jordan Peele is always happy to in this film at least is is very happy to uh trade a uh trade actual suspense for a quick laugh which is fine I I like it some people don't um and this is why I was I was not just trolling I'm dead serious that you you would have been scared probably because it is it it does have it is a scary movie but it is it is very it's very funny it is not the it is not the horror the horrifying experience that is promised from the trailer no I I agree with
Vic00:38:11Sonny uh I found it to be very entertaining but in terms of horror I thought it totally lacked teeth
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Vic00:40:15are you persuaded now to watch the movie hard pass what did your children think of it Victorino thought there were parts that were kind of scary but kind of funny too also what's with the scissors she said no I didn't I went alone uh but uh it was a crowded theater and there were a lot of laughs in that theater and I again as Sonny mentioned I thought that Winston Duke kind of stole the show I mean he was very funny so I mean it's like it's meant to be disturbing but I think it was that disturbing and uh not as scary as early on I'm bracing for it and it paces well in the very beginning when she walks into the hall of mirrors in that scary place and for those of us who are familiar with boardwalks there you know the boardwalk is fun but it's also creepy but it's also creepy because no it's no offense to the people who you know I'm not gonna say I'm not comparing the carnies yeah it's a different world it's a different world is what I'm saying and uh I mean for some people it's a summer job uh a lot of my friends but you know other aspects of it are kind of like with the people who operate the machines you know and those weird scary houses uh if you remember the haunted house bringing Dean Castle oh you can't you go to YouTube and type in Brigham could not pay me oh no I'm to this day to this day and it horrified me and they played box to Cotta right right on the commercial and it was scary because it was humans it's not a rope it's humans it's humans in there who are going to scare you and my sister told me that they chase you into the parking lot it could be true but the commercial was great because there was always a very bouncy woman running out running around like with her pink t-shirt and I thought that was very funny but it was and they're like oh you have to kill them with like a drive a stake through the vampire's heart I mean really crazy stuff go on to YouTube and just type in Brigantine Castle how do you spell that Brigantine B-R-I
JVL00:42:05like the town G-A-N-T-I-N-E it's the first town north of Atlantic City in New Jersey yes how on earth would I know what that is because everybody knows Brigantine uh JVL and the provincial there
Vic00:42:16are two there are two there were two uh scary castles on the on the Jersey Shore one was Brigantine don't forget the other one the castle at Long Branch oh that's right the castle see that was outside of my sphere of influence that's up there and one of them I think was that was your home castle yes and of course there was the haunted house uh the famous infamous on haunted house great adventure that burned down and people died killed like 30 people yeah because they had the fake exit signs much like in uh there's a fake I think she thinks she sees the uh the exit sign she walks into a mirror exactly she sees it in a mirror you can imagine that in reality how much of that is uh in case there's a fire and there was but I remember uh friends who had gone in before the fire and they said you know what I said so what happens he said well you know some guy will like you know fill you up yeah no that's what it is they dip their hands in ice cold water to scare you and then I grab but it's dark so I I guess I accidentally grabbed a boob or a butt cheek and you do that and you get paid yeah and you get paid to do that all day yeah and then die did you like it yeah I give it a b plus but here's the thing so I said oh this was kind of an entertaining movie I have a ton of questions that make it weird once you start up you know thinking about it as you said Sonny the whole thing falls apart is it more along the black
JVL00:43:33mirror slash uh twilight zone axis than it is along the horror axis is that what I mean because
Sonny00:43:40this is what like it's weird it's closer it's closer to twilight zone than black mirror I mean
Vic00:43:46black mirror is always about technology I mean I had no idea about I didn't I you know I wasn't with W.E.B. Du Bois's double consciousness as a driving force for joy I'm sorry I just went in
Sonny00:43:58to see scary movie you know Dick started reading some of the think pieces afterwards and that was
Vic00:44:02that was a mistake hurt my head went down that rabbit hole my head hurt uh from reading think pieces uh but uh I have lots of questions go for it okay where did the doppelgangers get their
Sonny00:44:12clothes great question no idea no idea okay Mark does it does it just materialize well this is this thing yes but I no one no one really explains where those do they change every morning what do
Vic00:44:27they eat apparently they eat the rabbit food there's no they eat rabbits so there's like a
Sonny00:44:32there's like a bunch of cages filled with rabbits and like one in one shot we see them walking past a kind of cafeteria looking place where they're like okay they're like ripping a lot apart the live rabbits and like just eating the how does the underworld economy work great question we don't
Vic00:44:52know underground economy they just suffer at some point in the movie Sonny they emerge uh the family emerges onto like the streets and it's empty like 28 days later empty well there's some bodies on their bodies so my thought was are they the only families that were able to successfully fight back against people with scissors well I was I was kind of curious about
Sonny00:45:10this myself given the per capita gun ownership in America the idea that a bunch of scissor wielding they only had scissors scissor wielding maniacs would be able to emerge from the tunnels underneath our streets and uh kill large numbers of people strikes me as well I mean they would probably they'd certainly be able to kill some people but they're all wearing the same thing so as soon as you see uh these guys wandering around the streets with their their their scissors run you just you you could really just start shooting question yes what is their goal their goal their motivation is to what their goal is to create or raise awareness so this it starts with a hands across america a commercial right and the the knock on hands across america is that it's this it's this thing to raise awareness for homelessness in america right but it was nonsense it didn't actually do anything it was silly um and at quaker school don't tell us that yeah man it was a big deal so like but this this idea of raising awareness so when the when the when the tethers when the doubles come up from the underground they kill a bunch of people and then they start their own hands across america chain and this is actually kind of clever because you know you know what isn't going to change anything is holding hands across america you know what might change some things is murdering a bunch of people and then holding hands across america it's like it it is very much it is very much this is
JVL00:46:35again i really think you would have in there is a lot for you to enjoy reading about this movie um so does the does the kid like walk upside down like a spider crab or something in it because i
Sonny00:46:45that that one image alone was enough to no he does he like kind of does this like on fours but like let
Vic00:46:52more like a dog than a backwards spider crab uh okay uh another another question i have uh sonny or like gollum he looks more like gollum gollum yes do these clones have superpowers are they like
Sonny00:47:04do they have superhuman strength or speed unclear a well they they seem to be like us but somewhat better i don't know it's hard minus they have no verbal skills yeah they they can't talk the only one who talks is uh the girl the who who went they can't talk they just make moaning noises and grunt like zombies can they be killed yes yes how how must they be killed they just die like humans but but it takes several attempts it's not definitely definitely seems stronger than than normal humans yes but they they can be killed what one one another weakness with this movie and this is also true of get out is that jordan peels seems very reluctant to kill anyone who we like yeah i appreciate that
Vic00:47:50especially if you're going to kill a family i yeah
Sonny00:47:51including so there's no there's no the the while while the family is in danger uh none of them die and the people who do die are people we are like trained to dislike like tim heidecker's family and yeah even yeah and the daughters and and her his his family's daughters normally you know you're gonna kill two girls that's terrible but they've got twin girls and they're very annoying they're very valley girl annoying and it's fine when they die because they're annoying it's fine when all of these people die because they're annoying but we don't want to we don't want to kill our our people because they're they're not annoying so you know i didn't feel disturbed by that versus
Vic00:48:25a movie like i remember watching in bruges uh and and and a kid dies and i was so disturbed by that on a plane uh in the confessional if you remember it was an accidental shooting oh right and i that it bothered me for the rest of the trip and uh this one here is like ah you know and they're getting killed with scissors so a lot of blood spray yeah there is but the blood is all shot
Sonny00:48:47from kind of a distance it is not it's not super gory it's like you see it you see it you see violence happen but it's not a lot of like question jvl the doppelganger of the girl
JVL00:49:00who becomes the wife yes why can she talk if none of the doppelgangers from below can talk when she
Sonny00:49:06comes up from the underground she can't there's like a scene where they talk about how she has been she's been silent for months now and i guess she learns and it sounds like this right that's how she sounds like well that's how the oh yeah that's what we're talking about well the the the girl from the above ground who goes underground sounds like that yeah the girl from the underground who comes to the above ground sounds normal who are we rooting for in that conflict well this is a great question jvl do you believe in justice and equality well i i suppose
JVL00:49:39i'm asking you who because then i can know i'm supposed to root for the opposite i don't i don't
Vic00:49:44tell me or me i'll tell you for the upper class humans but which one is the upper class
JVL00:49:52of the of the girl the right our doppelganger oh that's a good question i would i guess the other one's been turned i guess i'm asking who is jordan peele's sympathy with in this moment i think but
Sonny00:50:01with both i think i think jordan sim i think jordan peele is very sympathetic to the the plight of the underclass in this film yeah but i also think he is sympathetic to the the family that we we we know and love and see um probably more sympathetic to the family that we know and love and see but also understanding of the rage murder class warfare uh jvl you mentioned in passing just now about
Vic00:50:28uh hands across america and when you were at morristown friend morristown friends do you you remember friends i'm sorry field friends oh hadfield friends yes very quaker speaking of horror movies yes yeah so you remember it well oh yeah i did wasn't it i believe we actually ended homelessness for an hour or two oh good i remember do you remember the video the song and the video and the ballerinas yes and it was such a great music and i think it's united we stand divided we fall i think is the that's basically the whole song uh did you believe that literally we were going to have hands literally across the contiguous uh states a continental united states
JVL00:51:11yes coast to coast yes okay and i was and i got news for you with how they were gonna like bridge the mississippi river and they were going to like bridge the mississippi river and they were going i suppose you have a bridge uh yes and the rocky mountains the desert traverse that so i believe we were going to but of course i believe all sorts of things that the quakers sold me like in the united nations and the undersea cities that the scholastic reader promised us we were actually by the year 2000 we would all be living on kelp that was manufactured and grown by undersea cities and we would all have rocket packs and flying cars and you know the undersea cities were like giant bubbles giant bubbles yeah no i didn't believe me i bought all sorts of things from the quakers and uh and trick-or-treating for unicef which is a thing we did for the quakers still happens by the way uh so yeah i i believe
Vic00:51:59in that did you believe yeah yes i thought and when i found that it didn't happen well that's
Sonny00:52:03the thing is because does it does it break in did it break in like the rockies no it broke everywhere sections it was whole states had like nobody there but there's nobody you could they're
JVL00:52:12not literally enough people to do hands across iowa no like or nebraska there are not enough people
Sonny00:52:18they didn't ship people in to fill the gaps uh the is this the moment when you were first
JVL00:52:24disillusioned no the first disillusionment actually was i think i've written about this was reagan's election um funnily enough because this is a this is like a point so my my parents both i remember asking them i was like six in the 1980 election you know why why why what you know they were really carter supporters and you know why and they said well if ronald reagan's elected then then you know we're gonna have nuclear war and i thought to myself huh well that means that ronald reagan will get zero votes because if who would want that right who wants that and in fact we did a a an election uh in in our quaker school where uh i believe reagan got four votes school-wide at my quaker school one one of whom i believe was my best friend um and so i just assumed okay i mean i did not as a six-year-old i didn't fully understand statistics but i did believe that if you know say 99.9 percent of this sample size was going one way then it was probably improbable that when you expand it out to 300 million or extrapolate 70 million that this sample could be so skewed that it would turn out to be wrong and i couldn't believe it the next morning when i woke up and found out the problem reagan had won and i'm very very worried and it turns out there was no nuclear war and that's that's when i immediately began suspecting wait a minute some of the things everyone was lying to you some of the things that i was being
Vic00:53:52sold okay i would say all right yeah you asked us to rank scariest movies do we still want to do
JVL00:53:59that i i very much want to do this i i asked you guys each two and i even put together my own ranking as well but i was very very interested i don't i i didn't clockwise frankly i didn't i
Sonny00:54:10didn't do this because i didn't do this because i i don't really have a good list and this is this is i was i sat down to do it last night and i was like i can't really oh i made a list with a good list here because i don't i like i just i wasn't sure on what access we were talking about if it's jump scares versus like tension but i have i have like a i have a non-ranked list to to offer up and the reasons why they scared me so okay we'll take that okay go ahead oh yeah sonny go uh the the the movie that scared me the most i remember in uh i guess right after high school was when it came out was the ring i thought i found the ring to be terrifying she's scary
JVL00:54:54yeah american no no that's the grudge that's the grudge the ring is the japanese one or the
Sonny00:54:59american the american one she comes out of the well with with naomi watts right um uh ringu terrifying i found it terrifying i found it i found the whole thing this creepy video uh and the way it keeps matching up with things in the real world and then obviously the girl crawling out of the tv after you think that she has been
Vic00:55:18defeated um and then the zooming the zooming effect was new zooming yeah well that zooming
Sonny00:55:23effect was new but also just like the the fact that they don't show the effects of the the seeing the ghost until like right at the end with it what are the effects of seeing it just like it turns the scott speedman or whatever into this like weirdly grotesque like his face is all
Vic00:55:38distorted and yeah i'm doing the face now but you got sadly you can't see it's pretty terrible
Sonny00:55:42the whole i'm not doing the face now the whole thing the mood the mood the the the i i found i found the ring to be incredibly effective and scary so that's thing jvl go so i i
JVL00:55:58have an age adjusted ranking okay so i'm ranking them basically on how scared i was at the time of my life when i've seen them and so for me and i i would say i realized something midway through making this list i realized what was going on and you guys will probably pick up on it yourselves uh for me the scariest movie ever was bambi i saw it when i was five my parents were still together and it opens with a mother being murdered by sunny's face and and the hunters are combing the woods in an attempt to exterminate bambi's entire line and i just found that effing terrifying number two halloween i was in fifth grade i was going to a school called haddonfield friends okay number three faces of death at that point i was in seventh grade and i had just i had just left quaker school for the public schools who rented it well this is what chris no no but this was what all the savages in the public school were talking about and so like my first experience with mass culture of like the public school proletarians were these kids who were all like you know gotta see it gotta see it gotta see it and i and this is what and they loved it and i found it terrifying that this is what i was like i am not like these animals were they okay um number four stepfather i was in eighth grade at that point my parents had split up and it was a story of this psychopath who goes around marrying single mothers and then murdering them and their children oh uh and then number five is misery at which point i was in 11th grade there's this controlling older woman who uses a sledgehammer to keep a writer from escaping her house and all of these movies are actually about my family life and this is i'm this isn't shtick like all of the what scared the crap out of me in every one of these sequences was that they were really about the things i was experiencing in my terrible home um and so i this is this is why i don't do scary movies like i had a lousy enough childhood i don't
Vic00:57:54need i don't need to like go and pay somebody money to scare me you just turned this into a very special episode no i didn't i didn't mean to but this is anyway so i bet i know what your scariest movie is though i don't want to i don't want to blow up but when you get to number one let me guess number one for you uh okay uh five salem's lot uh was that a tv movie the toby movie the one yeah i it's the one where the kid is scratching the glass on the wall you let me back in and the you know it's the town of vampires right i mean it's down king so i saw them when i was young and it's scary i just i just think that's scary uh number four nightmare on elm street um the the first death i think is tina and then you see her reappear only to the girl and she's in a body bag and that was kind of like a novel i didn't was not familiar with body bag really until like that movie and it's the transparent body i mean it's just disturbing and then johnny depp's death i i really like johnny depp in that movie and so when he died because eventually you're gonna go fall asleep it was horrific i was one of the few times in my life that i actually um yeah that i actually turned away um and then uh the omen right which is very scary uh open water because yeah because i mean that's something you could find yourself in i mean that's very realistic that's a whole
JVL00:59:14class of like that the skeel of the movie and go ahead number one exercise
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JVL01:00:47you have an outtake but before we do yeah please quick again another thanks to the nicotio these shirts i'm just folding them oh yeah yeah they're so really really nice i can't
Vic01:01:01really wear especially got gout got gout is brilliant um i just wanted to say a uh a friend tells me uh who is uh well sourced that my favorite one of my favorite burger places that closed down in the northern virginia area i'm not going to name the name because i have been able to prove it i said it's a shame that the place closed down they serve great burgers and he said you know why it closed down it was a front for prostitution right here ollie's trolley no i'm not going to say what it is but excuse me it's not that and i brought my kids there and i thought oh my gosh but you know what i was always trying to figure out uh kate and i were always uh fascinated by the older woman hostess who uh let us in and there was something about her because she was older she was an older lady but she had this way about her and you realize now the way about her is she's a madam you know it's that way and the way she talked and kate said to me where were people doing it you're not going to believe this you're not gonna i don't know but then and kate said i always thought she was nicer to you than me is what she said and i said and they and they and they served uh great burgers i said yeah the the meat temperature was always perfect 98.6 what is
Sonny01:02:09i don't understand what this is i don't understand any of this it's it's fine it's fine i'm ending cutting it off.
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