#17. Avengers, Unhappy Meals, and Untitled Disney Projects as Far as the Eye Can See
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A week after the Avengers: Endgame special, the guys pick over the wreckage it left behind: a $146 million second weekend that flattened three counter-programming attempts, and Sonny's verdict that nobody involved was thinking clearly, since The Intruder took $11 million on an $8 million budget while Long Shot managed only $10 million against a $40-50 million spend — "who exactly is this movie supposed to appeal to?" — because a genuine four-quadrant movie simply cannot be counter-programmed. He notes Endgame still won't catch The Force Awakens domestically despite passing Titanic, and delights in James Cameron buying a Variety ad to celebrate it, a gloat he figures Cameron has been sitting on for 22 years. JVL relays a 7,000-word listener email from Matt Roberts arguing Thor's arc across three films (sacrificing love, power, then home) was betrayed by Endgame's retreat into hedonism and fat jokes; Sonny agrees the arc is "a circle" and complains he's screaming into the wilderness because everyone loves funny Thor. Both like Roberts's fix for the girl-power scene — leave the gauntlet with Hawkeye, who actually needs the help — while Sonny insists Captain Marvel is so overpowered she unbalances every scene she's in, and predicts a Superman II-style depowering in her sequel. JVL then floats his Disney-versus-Netflix thesis (intellectual property is a wellspring, content is a commodity, "the difference between a novel and a newspaper") against a newly announced slate of untitled Marvel, Pixar and live-action projects stretching to 2027, plus Sonny's baseless-but-fun theory that Avatar 2's delays are Cameron waiting on glassless 3D. Trailer talk covers The Boys and a Sonic the Hedgehog redesign JVL reads as proof Jim Carrey has been "broken as an artist." Before all that: JVL's unhappy birthday, ruined by Lego getting the Lepin knockoff factories shut down in China; Burger King's real, non-ironic Unhappy Meals; a fast-food burger ranking; Vic's weekend of two-day-old eggs, a fried bologna sandwich called the Wolf and the Hen, and a gout flare he claims to have cured with lemon water in 48 hours.
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Guest00:00:00Why would you do that? We're in the endgame now.
Vic00:00:25Hello, and welcome to another edition of The Sub Beacon, sponsored by Calm, the number one app for sleep, meditation, and relaxation. I'm Victor Matys, along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. I'd like to remind you The Sub Beacon is available on iTunes and Google Play. Just look at our podcast and search for Sub Beacon. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and leave a review. Gentlemen, how are we? JVL, happy birthday. It's not happy. hey happy birthday it's not happy tell us about the birthday you saw what happened in china oh yes that's right i forgot about that what happened you guys want to know we totally missed
JVL00:01:08the story because you want to know why i am a commie yeah let let our listeners know because look what big brick did so big brick and the people from finland or denmark wherever they're from because corporate interest corporate power over overrules everything and so big brick went and greased the palms of the people in power in China and now a bunch of hard-working entrepreneurs in China who made a great product called Leppin are out of business Leppin
Sonny00:01:45is dead question have they been executed because that's the only proper response by the tricoms here unclear unclear it is
JVL00:01:57unclear if in fact after they were arrested they were actually kept in jail or simply released out the back of the prison where they went and started the new company new Oh gal which was white which was is like the new weapon weapon to and which seems to have launched within about three hours of weapon going out of business I I went running the minute I saw the news onto eBay because Because I figured there were going to be some people who are still sitting on stocks of weapon. And I ordered, I'm very happy to say, the Wizarding World Hogwarts Castle Fort. Yes. Which. What do they call it? The Wizarding World Hogwarts. Oh, Hogwarts. Hogwarts.
Vic00:02:42W-A-R-D-S Castle Fort. Oh, my God. Is there a Harry Potter sort of like fake name to the Harry Potter thing at all? Is it Jerry Rotter?
JVL00:02:53It's Wizarding World. Wizarding World. Hogward. This is the fake name.
Sonny00:02:58Same color and everything. The glee that you take in stealing from the hardworking folks. Intellectual property. The hardworking people at Lego, your favorite company. Oh, my gosh. It's shameless. It really disturbs me.
JVL00:03:11They are different products. So I spent a little bit of time and I went on to Reddit to look at this. And one of the interesting things I learned, which I did not know before, is that there is a Lego Leppin thing with transformers, except that it works in the opposite direction. So in China, where they come up with the knockoff transformers, the knockoff transformers are actually way better than the Hasbro transformers. It's like higher quality plastics. They tweak the designs to make them cooler. Even the boxes are better, and they still sell them for like a fifth of the price. But in the Transformers toy collectible world, the Lepin version of Transformers, I forget what they're called, like, you know, transforming robot warriors or whatever.
Vic00:03:58Go-bots, they're called Go-bots.
JVL00:04:00But they are more widely sought after for collectible purposes than the actual Hasbro ones because they're just better in every way. But if they're so much cheaper, then why are they more collectible? Because people over here don't know to go find them. The Hasbro ones are made where, though? In China? They're all made over there. They come off the thing. But over there, they tweak, instead of just calling them Wizarding World. The other company, Hogwarts. Whatever the Leppin version is of Transformers, they actually tweak the designs in an attempt to make a good faith attempt to get around the intellectual property infringement. Anyway, I found somewhere, if only I had a co-host who loved me, I found a Leppin t-shirt. It's just like a T-shirt with like the Leppin logo on it. I thought, man, I would love to go rock in one of those.
Vic00:04:45You're not going to find, you're not on this show.
Sonny00:04:47Yeah, I'm not going to participate in this disgusting.
Vic00:04:51No, no, it's a true violation of human rights. Yes, slave labor, slave labor. Terrible. So that put a damper on your, otherwise, did you do anything special? It was fine. It was fine. How are you, boys? I'm doing fine.
JVL00:05:03Sonny, you haven't told us anything from your life in months now. And I received, by the way, and Sonny.
Sonny00:05:07Nothing is going on in my life.
Vic00:05:09I have received pushback from another listener in this office who said that more dudes chatting, not less. I'm just letting you know that.
Sonny00:05:18Who is this person? Paul Crookston. I'm going to fire them. Paul Crookston. Once again, my goal here is to keep this segment as short as possible. So I got nothing. Wow.
Vic00:05:29Really? Can I ask you a question, though? Sure. Did you have a happy meal or an unhappy meal lately?
Sonny00:05:34No. The Burger King. Yes. The Burger King. You don't want to talk about that at all. Sadness meals. I'm fascinated. So Burger King unveiled a series, a collection of meals called the Unhappy Meals. And it is like the later seasons of Mad Men where Don Draper was incredibly drunk and coming up with like the worst ideas that anybody has ever had for advertising. And I mean, it's literally like somebody was like, happy meals, happy meals. But people today are sad. What if we had unhappy meals?
JVL00:06:05And this is all true.
Sonny00:06:06There's like a two minute commercial that Burger King put out with like a bunch of people who want to kill themselves and are sad at school and getting bullied and, you know, whatever. And they're like, sometimes you're just not happy and you're not in the mood for a happy meal. So you want a sad meal or a WTF meal.
Vic00:06:23Yeah, WTF is one of the meals.
Sonny00:06:25Or a p***ed meal.
Vic00:06:26P***ed off meal.
Sonny00:06:28And so this is all very funny to me for a variety of reasons. The first of which is the inherently infantilizing nature of it. Because I don't know if you guys know this, but Happy Meals aren't for adults. They're for children. They're for little kids. You get a Happy Meal for your little kid so you can give them the toy so they'll shut up for two minutes while they play with it and maybe choke to death on the tiny little plastic part. Right, right. So this whole idea that we need unhappy meals for adults is hilarious on just a whole mess of levels.
Vic00:07:02Their whole idea was that they were joining forces with mental health awareness. And I'm just picturing the board meeting where the Burger King execs are nodding like, yeah, okay, oh, this is great because we're going to be very much more socially aware and socially conscious and helping people. But, you know, there seems to be a slight tendency to overthink these things. And, in fact, people just want to get away from that when they go eat their burger.
Sonny00:07:24The first pitch, though, the first pitch the board rejected, it was for the AIDS burger. They were like, Burger King execs were like, do we really want to associate our food with like a big bowl of AIDS? They're like, no, look, we've got to raise awareness. I didn't realize that's what it was. The AIDS burger. But so instead they went with the off burger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Vic00:07:41So this is the herpes. How about the herpes burger? The herpes burger. Herp awareness on my burger.
JVL00:07:46This is the first I've ever heard of any of this. Do they actually manufacture the unhappiness meals or is this just an advertising gimmick?
Sonny00:07:51There are several stores. I think it's mostly an advertising gimmick. And I think it's just a Whopper or a Junior Whopper and fries. It's for sale in several stores.
JVL00:07:58And is this ironic in the way that the Creepy King character was ironic? No, I don't think so. Because the Creepy King character was part of the edge, poochy version of Burger King.
Vic00:08:09Well, you and other listeners can check up on YouTube and judge for yourself. But, I mean, again, they did seriously team up with mental health awareness people.
JVL00:08:18So it's non-ironic.
Sonny00:08:20No, this is unhappy me. My understanding is that this is not intended in jest. It is genuinely aimed at the sad sacks of our society who want to eat their feelings.
JVL00:08:32Can we just, for a moment, do a ranking of fast food burgers?
Vic00:08:36Because Burger King is trash, correct? No, no, no, no. I like Burger King. It's weird because Burger King, in the original sort of competition of fast food burgers, had successfully incorporated... Oh, it's been broiled. Well, that too. But they successfully incorporated the tomato in McDonald's, never successfully. where they tried like Arch Deluxe and things and the McDLT, I think, yes, but they never successfully did it. But for some reason it works on the flame broiled burger and then you have the mayonnaise on the Whopper which melts with the tomato and the tomato juices. It's amazing and delicious and I love it.
JVL00:09:11Will you please, Victorino, rank for me
Sonny00:09:13the flagship sandwiches of the fast food chain? So Wendy's, McDonald's, Burger King. So like In-N-Out and Five Guys don't count.
Vic00:09:22You're saying that. Okay, so no Shake Shack.
Sonny00:09:24What about like Hardee's?
JVL00:09:25I would count Hardee's. Hardee's counts? Carl's, I would count. Hardee's and Carl's are the same. Oh, okay. They're the same company.
Vic00:09:32But yeah, no, it has to be true fast food. It cannot be fast casual. Oh, gosh, that's so hard now because, I mean, if you include the fast casuals, I'd have to say Shake Shack is on top. Five guys, maybe it's a top. But I don't. I don't count them at all. That's not what we're talking about.
JVL00:09:44So McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King.
Sonny00:09:46Oh, my gosh. Here's my ranking, and it's definitive.
JVL00:09:51All right. I'm not sure I trust you over Vic on this subject.
Sonny00:09:54I have a lot of experience of this. Wendy's McDonald's Burger King, in that order. Okay. From best to worst.
Vic00:10:00Okay. I might go the exact opposite if I can include the Double Whopper with cheese. Because I don't know if I get enough. I've had burgers. Wendy's burgers are great, right? And they're fresh. They're not frozen. That was always Dave Thomas' thing.
Sonny00:10:13It's a double stack or a triple stack. It's the same as the Double Whopper. Double Whopper. I mean.
Vic00:10:18I'll get back to you next week. Okay.
Sonny00:10:20the new like artisanal crafted mcdonald's burgers you know i think mcdonald's is scrapping those i think they were they were a disaster oh they were so many different menu changes i've never tried
Vic00:10:31them i'm just saying i've seen them i did but i don't go to mcdonald's for that you know and it's it's just like i just oh the other i'll tell you what's interesting is the now fresh uh quarter pounder with cheese the made to order it's unlike the other burgers you if you order the quarter pound of cheese now they will make it fresh for you and it's not frozen or whatever and it tastes different i mean it's still the same amount of salt which is enough for the day but it's uh i like that and every now and then there's a special that is probably the only thing i did not eat this weekend so kate was away uh in annapolis on business so i had the kids
JVL00:11:06and it really was just a terrible two kids all by yourself how did you manage i could i didn't
Vic00:11:10think it was possible JVL you have no idea how hard that is uh and I I basically took the kids and ate at all the bad places that I wanted to eat oh yeah yeah I'd say uh can I can I get your itinerary yeah sure okay so I took the kid wait I only had like uh I had fried shrimp on Friday night at the Knights of Columbus club slash bar really I just wanted to take the kids there so I could have my two dollar pint of uh yingling and then uh after and then you were cutting back on no i was okay i was and then but you know nobody's there to sort of check my you know terrible eating impulses now because kate was not there so saturday i took uh i for breakfast i realized we had all these eggs i don't eat as you know i'm on an intermittent fast so i don't eat eggs a lot anymore for breakfast uh and no breakfast so i realized we had all these eggs and they had expired two days ago so i said guess what kids we're having a lot of eggs yes totally fine i I hard boiled all the eggs. I made an omelet. It was egg crazy. And then you're looking at me in horror. I didn't tell Kate this, by the way. So she's hearing about it now that the eggs were two days old. And then after that, we went to Punchbowl Social because my daughter had a birthday party in the Boston Mall. Not for her, but for some other girl. And at Punchbowl Social, I got a sandwich called the Wolf and the Hen. What is Punchbowl Social? Ah, you'd love it when your kids are older. It's a combination of bar and diner and bar games, bowling alleys, darts, shuffleboard, a little arcade. So it's Dave and Buster-ish, but, you know, it's very oriented. Punchbowl social. Punchbowl social, and it changes, I think, the later it gets, the more grown-ups show up to watch games.
JVL00:12:54What age is it geared at?
Vic00:12:56Oh, I don't know. As young as maybe eight or nine, if you can play skee-ball and stuff. But then obviously the later it gets, it's an older crab that shows up. So I got a sandwich called the Wolf and the Hen. And that was fried bologna and a fried egg with lettuce. See, there's healthiness to it. There's lettuce and melted cheese between two slices of white bread. And they stuffed it with kettle cooked potato chips inside. And I ate all of that. That's the noise I made the next morning. So anyway.
JVL00:13:28Were you wearing your medical alert bracelet in case something had happened to you?
Vic00:13:31had it with me so the next day so then by the time Kate's get Kate gets back uh my friend Peter Lowe is visiting and we all went out and with her parents to uh Liberty Barbecue and I ordered a whole fried chicken I figured we could share it but of course you know they all eat like birds you know so to speak so uh they I ate the fried chicken and then I had two extra pieces left so I said good I'm gonna save this for leftovers for like the next day or day after so I didn't get to it on Monday Monday night we're already in bed going to sleep and I said oh I can't wait for that fried chicken tomorrow because that's all I've been thinking about. And I said, did you eat that? That's what I do. I spend my whole time thinking about this. And I said to Kate, that's what you got to think about. What am I eating next? And I said to Kate, I said, did you have the fried chicken? Because I left it in the fridge if you wanted to eat it. And she goes, oh, it's gone. And I said, it's gone. And you ate it or it's gone. It's gone. Like you threw it away. She goes, I threw it away. I said, why did you do that? She goes, because it's going to kill you. She said, Who is she to decide if my diet's bad? Question.
JVL00:14:33Yes, JVO. You said dismissively that all of, quote, these people, quote, eat like birds.
Vic00:14:41Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah. The Dwyers, they have little bites. Do any of them have the gout? Strangely, no. Strangely, no. And I will say this. Unrelated to this news.
Sonny00:14:51I mean, it's probably random. Probably random. How does this happen to you? It has nothing to do with me. You know, why do bad things happen to good people? Thank you. It's the story of my life. That's what I want to know.
Vic00:15:00It's the story of my life, and it can't be about the diet. Unrelated news, my gout came back.
Sonny00:15:05You didn't have any cherry juice on hand? I didn't have any cherry juice.
Vic00:15:09It must have been the walnuts. It might have been the walnuts or oatmeal. Maybe it was oatmeal. It was probably the oatmeal. It was probably the oatmeal. Yeah. And so the gout comes back, but I saw it happening, too. I said, oh, my gosh, I can't believe it's back. The twins are still here? The twins. No. So this is the amazing thing. I immediately got watch. got 2019 so immediately i start hydrating like lemon water lemon water lemon water i did and then and then just gotta flush it out of my system i gotta just go to the bathroom like every hour i just gotta keep on drinking until i get out of my system amazingly 48 hours it was
JVL00:15:42gone look at that i cured it so you're you're rub the bracelet on it your health your health
Vic00:15:48regimen at some point i could have tied at some point i could have put the bracelet around the big toe was that big uh no so yeah it's unparalleled i beat the gap as far as gout flares up uh flare flare-ups are concerned, this was a particularly brief one. How brief was it? How brief was it? It was briefer than Natalie Portman's appearance in Avengers Endgame. Oh! Speaking of which, over the weekend, Avengers Endgame continued to dominate the box office with $146 million followed by The Intruder with $11 million. I don't even know what that is.
Sonny00:16:24$147.38 Whoa! Question. Question 6. Sonny, when you write this script, yes, I want to three days. It took me three days to pull the curtain back just a hair. Do you do you use the numbers from the estimates or do you use the actual weekend totals?
Vic00:16:40I go to box office mojo dot com on Monday and I just look at.
Sonny00:16:44So you look at the you look at the estimates. Yeah, I round up a little bit. Look at the estimates that are now three days old. Yeah, but I'm only talking about. Yes.
Vic00:16:52And of course, we are film. We are. We are actually taping Thursday morning. The number has changed. OK, so. As I was saying, The Intruder was in second place. And in third place, Longshot, with about $10 million or so. That's not good. That was supposed to be, I thought, a big movie, Longshot. I mean, it's Seth Rogen, it's Charlize Theron.
Sonny00:17:12$10 million. It costs $40 or $50 million to make, plus ads. So it's a big loss. It's going to lose a fair amount of money. My question is, who wanted this movie? Who exactly wanted the, like, somewhat... That's a question a lot of people ask me in a lot of movies. Somewhat political, you know, like, it's supposed to, I actually haven't even seen it. I'm a film critic. I've not seen it.
JVL00:17:34Are you supposed to see it?
Sonny00:17:35I was going to see it, and then I decided not to because I had other things to watch. But the problem with this movie, as far as I can tell, is that it's not really designed to appeal to anyone. So, like, this weekend had three, essentially three counter-programming efforts against the second weekend of Avengers Endgame, right? The first is The Intruder, which is aimed at African-Americans. That is a segment of the audience that always shows up, you know, for this. So it's basically a horror movie for African-Americans, which is, as Jordan Peele has shown, is a profitable genre. But even still, it only grossed about $11 million. And that's, you know, not terrible against its $8 million budget, but okay. It still doesn't work as counter-programming. And that was the most obvious of the counter-programming. There's this Ugly Dolls movie, which is an animated film from STX. STX. I don't understand where STX gets their money from. It's some mythical mountain in China that just shoots money in the air, and the execs run around and grab it, and then they light it on fire with their movies, as far as I can tell.
Vic00:18:41Is it a Chinese entity of sorts?
Sonny00:18:44I believe it is a something. I will effort this. Look it up on Wikipedia. But my understanding is that it is like it's a Chinese company. And then Longshot. So Longshot, who exactly is this movie supposed to appeal to? Is this supposed to appeal to couples going on dates? They're going to see Endgame. I mean, this is the problem. Richard Rushfeld had a good piece on this in his newsletter, which is basically when you have a four-quadrant movie like Endgame, and Endgame is a four-quadrant movie. It appeals to women and men, young and old. You can't really counter program against that because this movie appeals to everyone. So it's not like there's a segment of the audience that is looking for, you know, I need I need the I need something to do this weekend. Who who is who who is the marketing genius who was like, you know, we should release the 50 million dollar Charlize Theron, Seth Rogen comedy in the wake of the biggest movie that was ever released? I just don't I don't understand.
Vic00:19:45So the issue is just not not just why, but also when in terms of coming out. Yeah. Nobody wants to come out now. Yeah. Nobody wants to come out now.
Sonny00:19:53But I still you know, this is the sort of movie, again, that they just don't really make that many of. It's an adult comedy. Excuse me. It's an adult. It's an adult oriented romcom that is that is supposed to appeal to like this kind of mythical group of, you know, 30 to 50-somethings who don't really go to the movies anymore. I don't understand why they're spending $50 million on a movie like this.
Vic00:20:21So when you went to see the Avengers Endgame, you went to the preview, the screening, so you didn't see Seth Rogen in the little trailer bit before. It's not even the trailer. He has a little cameo before the movie starts where he's just talking to the movie audience. Before Endgame? Before Endgame and telling them after this amazing three hours, It's the shortest three hours of your life. And he was very funny about it. And he says, you know, see a long shot, you know. And he just says that it's, you know, it's a great date movie. And if you're alone, you can go with him.
Sonny00:20:53That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.
Vic00:20:54Yeah, no, he did the whole thing.
Sonny00:20:55That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. So, anyway, I don't really, I don't know. Okay.
Vic00:21:00JV, any box office thoughts?
JVL00:21:01Did you look up STX? STX. STX, you would remember from such films as Bad Moms. Oh, okay, yeah. The GIF, Kristen Bell. And The Boy, and I Feel Pretty with Amy Schumer, and The Happy Time Murders. This is not a very- Wait a minute.
Vic00:21:22The gift with Katie Holmes?
JVL00:21:24No, no, no, no.
Vic00:21:25Oh.
JVL00:21:25It's the only one I know. They went public on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.
Vic00:21:31So if you would like to know where their money comes from. Thank you, JVL. When we were talking about Endgame last time, we were making fun of the Lady Avengers assembly. Yes. And, you know, like, how can they amount to anything next to Captain Marvel and her amazing photon beams? And I particularly made the joke about Mantis, what she's going to do, because what does she do? She reads people's minds. I forgot, of course, that Mantis also puts people to sleep by touching them. Speaking of putting people to sleep by touching them, JVL.
JVL00:22:05So we're talking about our friends at Calm.com. That's C-A-L-M.com. It is an app for your phone, which has a huge library of meditations and guided breathing exercises and sleep stories. And I think I mentioned a couple weeks ago when we were doing our Calm Spot that they give you your stats on it. And I said, oh, you know, you wouldn't even believe how many hours we've spent on Calm.com. Currently, we are on a – I'm looking at our family stats now. We are on a 13-day streak. Our longest streak of using Calm.com has been 89 consecutive days. Wow.
Vic00:22:44Three months.
JVL00:22:44The total sessions is 2,118. The mindful minutes, 781 hours and 36 minutes. So I'm not pulling your leg when I say that we use this thing literally all the time. It's so great. And we had last night a baseball game for Flash like we do five nights a week. And the girls came with us. We did not get home until 9.30, which is fully two hours past their bedtime. And they were, like, wired. Do your kids get like this? Have you keep them up past their bedtime? I get like this. Instead of getting, like, they get overtired. And once they're overtired, they can't switch it off. Like, you would think it would just be like, oh, you're so tired. Put your head down and go the F to sleep. But my kids don't work like that. And so we put them on. And who did we put on last night? Oh, last night we put on Anna Acton.
Guest00:23:37Anna Acton is so great
Vic00:23:49I love the accent
JVL00:23:50So we put the girls down And I put on Anna Acton for them And I laid down in bed with them And three minutes later They were no longer twitching around Saying I can't sleep anymore Because they were asleep Like that it's like it's so great so without the sleeping pills it's amazing without the sleeping pills it's it's just so great so you should you should get calm.com if you have kids you should use this uh we're probably running out of people to actually convert because i feel like i've sold like hundreds and hundreds of subscriptions they give a great deal uh it's 25 off of their subscription if you go to calm.com slash wfb uh again this is great we pay full freight for it my house we will continue to pay full freight for forever because it's such a great product it is com.com slash WFB that's C-A-L-M dot com slash WFB unlimited access to all of their stuff by going to com.com slash WFB today thank you JVL
Vic00:24:53you said to us that you have a fair amount of more Avenger Endgame thoughts I do too but why don't you go first talk to us about well just you should go first no you go first you
JVL00:25:09yeah i've been talking i've been talking a lot so i uh i got an email from uh one of our ssu buddies matt roberts uh who who spilled out something very interesting about thor and he explained what he found unsatisfying about thor's arc and i'm going to distill his 7 000 word email into a a brief little nugget he says that so Thor's arc within the Marvel universe has been all about sacrifice in the first Thor movie he sacrifices love in the second Thor movie he sacrifices power and in the third Thor movie he sacrifices his home by the end of Ragnarok he's lost all of his self-obsession and his impulsiveness and he's actually decided to become an actualized adult who's going to lead his people and that that's really cool like this is a guy who has picked up adult responsibilities and what we see in end game then is a retreat into hedonism which betrays that entire arc and what matt says is he says what he wished that that should have happened is that thor should have become actually more adult following thanos at which point he wouldn't have been a hedonist he would have been kind of penitential but the problem is that like that's not super funny and you can't do product placement for fortnite and there aren't any fat jokes in it yeah well this
Sonny00:26:19was the point i was trying to make which is that the the the arc on thor isn't really an arc or it's like a total arc it's like it's like a 300 it's like a circle it's like he starts essentially where he ended up as a hedonist as a kind of jokey you know broey type of guy uh which which is which is why i don't think this works for me as the telling of thor's story now the problem is everyone seems to really like this version of Thor everyone seems to like the Taika Waititi funny Thor everyone seems to like the Russo brothers fat Thor I assume he'll be a big hit with the James Gunn Guardian of the Galaxy Thor you know I like the I'm screaming into the wilderness here but people the people the people have hilarious and fat and fatty so fat
JVL00:27:11so Matt Matt also had a note about how to fix the girl power scene and what Matt says is that at that moment in the movie if the gauntlet is still being held by Hawkeye and in fact it is all the women of the Marvel Universe who fall in behind him and say hey we've got your back then all of a sudden that scene is both still a girl power scene it talks about feminist empowerment and all that and it makes sense because Hawkeye is nothing. Hawkeye needs help. He needs all the help he can get
Sonny00:27:43And here Hawkeye is, Clint Barton, being surrounded by powerful women who are there to do what he can't. Right. Well, once again, the central problem with that whole scene is Captain Marvel. It would have made sense if Captain Marvel had been there to help Hawkeye. But if Captain Marvel shows up, then Captain Marvel just does everything. Captain Marvel, like, throws up. He split a ship. Captain Marvel just starts shooting out photon beams in front of Clint instead of, you know, everybody else doing things on the side to kind of clear a path for him. The problem, once again, with Captain Marvel is that she's overpowered to the extent that she unbalances everything she's in, including her own movie. And this is going to be a real problem when they have Captain Marvel 2, to the extent that I'm going to go on record right now as predicting that they just pull a Superman 2 and depower her for most of that movie.
Vic00:28:33Superman 2 or 3, for that matter.
Sonny00:28:35Superman 2, where Clark gives up his powers for love.
Vic00:28:40Does she give it up for love?
Sonny00:28:42No, she won't give it up for love unless it's the love of a woman. Because that is next up on the Marvel agenda. It could happen. It could happen.
JVL00:28:50So here is the big question I wanted to pose to the group.
Vic00:28:55Yes, sir.
JVL00:28:57Should, not will, because obviously we know the answer of what will happen. But should, narratively speaking, this movie have been the end of the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Yes. Should this have closed off the whole thing and then Marvel relaunches with something like, say, Ultimate Marvel Cinematic Universe?
Vic00:29:15Will they just start everything again?
JVL00:29:16With new characters, new actors?
Vic00:29:18Yeah. Well, no, because what about Spider-Man and Tom Holland? He's just getting started.
Sonny00:29:23Yeah, I mean, this is the thing is that you have what it should be and what it might even be for a little while until they figure out what to do with the X-Men. Because I assume the next thing is going to be Avengers versus X-Men. What they should do is just have them be stand-alone heroes doing their own things. I mean, look, Captain Marvel more or less works as a stand-alone film, even with the Nick Fury connection. That works as a stand-alone origin story. Could easily stand on its own. Black Panther is almost entirely separated from the rest of the Marvel Universe. Like, it's separate. The only one of these movies that was really connected to anything was Spider-Man. And Spider-Man has the whole, everything with Tony Stark pays off really well in Infinity War and Endgame. I like all that. And according to the new trailer, which had an amusing spoiler warning on the front of it, there's a new Spider-Man Far From Home trailer that basically Tom Holland talking on the camera. He's like, lots of stuff about Endgame in this trailer coming up. So don't watch it if you haven't watched Endgame. Of course, the bigger spoiler of all is that he's still alive, right? Isn't that the? But I thought he was dead. I thought he was dead. He was dead at the infinity. And I never thought Spider-Man was coming back. Anyway, so what they should do is just have a bunch of standalone movies, right?
Vic00:30:40And not just standalone movies, but as you mentioned in the last show as well, standalone movies with smaller stakes. So not like the galaxy is imperiled yet again, but, you know, a smaller story with interesting villains that are not about to blow up the universe entirely.
JVL00:30:58Yes.
Vic00:30:59Something smaller.
JVL00:31:00But are we going to get that? That means it's going to be all Fate of the Universe every time out.
Sonny00:31:04I assume the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie will be about them trying to track down Gamora and get her to come back with them. It's going to be a smaller-ish movie.
Vic00:31:10What is the next Marvel... Not counting... Well, I guess the next Marvel movie is Dark Phoenix. Or did they push that back to like 2030? I keep on seeing trailers. I feel like I've seen trailers for this movie.
Sonny00:31:21Dark Phoenix. For the last 20 years. June 7th.
JVL00:31:25Like any day. It looks so good, doesn't it? It looks so good. It looks amazing.
Vic00:31:30so that's coming out before and then and then spider-man spider-man is uh july 4th
JVL00:31:36wow july 4th okay that that movie is gonna make so much money i hope so why is there
Vic00:31:43a particular reason why you think it's gonna make so much money because it is going to get
JVL00:31:46the follow-on effect for the beloved for the in a way that a movie that follows like solo pays for the sins of the second Star Wars movie. It's the opposite version. So there's so much goodwill built up over this that then people who are ready for another Marvel movie, because it's been four weeks already, or whatever, five weeks. Well, this is my question.
Sonny00:32:12I do wonder if there's going to be a bit of a hangover. No, I think it'll be the opposite. Do you disagree? No, I don't know. Honestly, I don't have
Vic00:32:20a prediction either way. Will it be like Avengers Endgame will be finally out of theaters, and then Like a week later, Spider-Man is back in theaters. I don't know.
JVL00:32:29I wonder. I mean, I think Endgame is going to hang around for a long, long time. And it'll be two showings on a screen all summer long.
Sonny00:32:38Or they can bring it back. It's dropping pretty steadily. I mean, not like it's. 56% on a $300 million opening? 58%. I mean, you'll note that it also did not have the best second weekend of all time. The Force Awakens still has the best second weekend of all time. It's not going to catch The Force Awakens domestically. We didn't even talk about this in the box office roundup. Let's talk about it right now. It's not going to catch The Force Awakens in the domestic box office. No chance. But it will pass Avatar in the international worldwide box office. Though I think it'll probably be closer than we might have thought after that first weekend or after that first 10 days. Will its cultural impact be larger than The Force Awakens? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to judge that. I don't know how to judge that. I mean, I never watch any of these movies more than once, so hard for me to say. But what was kind of amusing, just as a side note, James Cameron put an ad in Variety or whatever saying congratulations to Endgame for passing Titanic. It was like something clever like the Titanic had to hit a real iceberg, but my Titanic had to hit the Endgame or something. But I just sat there reading that and I was like, you know what? I bet he's been waiting 20 years to do this, 22 years to do this. Because he couldn't really put an ad in the newspaper for himself for Avatar beating Titanic, right? Like, he must have just been sitting on this for a long time. Like, it's almost like him tweaking the rest of the industry.
Vic00:34:21Yeah.
Sonny00:34:21Like, doing an ad, you know, celebrating the passage of Titanic.
JVL00:34:27Hey, I did this when ticket prices were $11 each. Suck it! I didn't have 3D or IMAX.
Vic00:34:33People just waited in line and they went to see the movie over and over and over again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What were your thoughts right now? Excuse me. What I was excited about about Spider-Man coming up is Mysterio.
JVL00:34:46And Mysterio maybe is a hero.
Vic00:34:49I don't know. It's weird because he comes out saying, oh, you don't want to be here for this. So, I mean, he's going to be a complicated Jake Gyllenhaal. And it's Jake Gyllenhaal. And, you know, so it's going to be more complex as a villain than just, I'm a bad guy. You know, however. Michael Keaton's vulture is not the bad guy.
Sonny00:35:07Actually, that's very good. Michael Keaton's vulture. That's a very good point. This is the best thing about the. He's the hero of Homecoming. Well, the second best thing about Homecoming after the Peter, Tony stuff is the vulture. Is Michael Keaton.
Vic00:35:16And in fact, the great scene is when he goes, when Peter Parker goes to pick up his prom date. And I didn't say, I don't know. You probably all figured out. I didn't realize until he opened the door that the father, you're rolling your eyes, that the father was Michael Keaton. And then I realized, wait, Michael Keaton's the vulture. And then I realized Spider-Man versus the vulture. This is going to be awkward.
JVL00:35:39Awkward car ride.
Vic00:35:41Now, why did Peter Parker's Spidey sense go off? That's what I want to know. He's usually, they have that, right?
JVL00:35:47It was prom day. The Spidey sense was tingling full time.
Vic00:35:51That's a good point. Also, we had this discussion before about the difference between this Spider-Man and the other Spider-Man where the web is...
JVL00:35:58Organic web shooters versus mechanical web shooters.
Vic00:36:01Thank you. I'm pointing and no one can see this. But anyway, I like the idea of Mysterio. Plus, I believe there are other villains. Is that Sandman or what's the guy in the water? What's happening here? Help me out, JVL.
Sonny00:36:13It's the Elementals is what I seem to remember reading that somewhere. Okay. All right. All right, something.
Vic00:36:19I may already have the weapon set for that. interesting questionable uh okay so and then obviously uh uh tom hiddleston will come back
Sonny00:36:27as loki right well i is tom there's a there's going to be a loki tv show i think we talked about this last week with tom hiddleston right i assume i assume that him blinking off the screen with the the cube was his like the way to start his tv show on the disney channel he disappeared
Vic00:36:44for the movie just go with the tv yeah that's what he did okay all right great uh did you want to talk uh about since you were just mentioning it now avatar and yeah we could just transition
JVL00:36:55can i can i have one more one more thing here before we cycle off jv i had a thought i wanted to bring up specifically to get your view of this sunny okay uh i was reading rusher richard rushfeld's big post end game column uh exploring what this all means for for disney which will segue as well and it struck me that the principal difference between disney and netflix is that disney is in the business of intellectual property and netflix is in the business of content and that we blur those two things together but they are different intellectual property is the wellspring for what becomes an economic river of value and content is a commodity content is no one piece of content is any more valuable than another piece of content and you are just there to plug it in to fill time on a platform none of it none of it has any lasting value it is the difference between a novel and a newspaper does this strike you as correct
Sonny00:37:54yes I mean I don't I don't think well I I would the one thing I would maybe question is whether or not people confuse content versus IP I mean maybe they do but the the I like I've always kind of understood that to be the difference you between being disney and a fancy gentleman right as as a man of letters uh i but the the difference between disney and netflix obviously is the disney theme parks you don't go to there's no there will never be a netflix theme park nobody's going to want to go be a house of cards glow or glow i think it would go to the glow stranger things you know how about sex education sorry but but the point is but i mean this is all netflix's netflix's whole thing right is they're competing against sleep they're they're trying to keep you in front of the tv for as long as possible um whereas you know disney and what disney has spent the last 10 years doing is buying up things that you want to go to does that make sense yes okay but yeah i mean so i basically agree with i think they're they're doing two different things different things except that
JVL00:39:00one of these things is very valuable and the other is a commodity and when you are when you are But as Peter Thiel would tell you, when you are in the world of commoditization, it is a losing game because even when you win, the margins are so thin that eventually you wind up losing. It's like opening a Chinese restaurant. There are a thousand Chinese restaurants within what you want within a walking distance of wherever you are anywhere in America. What you want to be is a monopolist. And the way you have a monopoly in this world is by owning intellectual property that people really, really like and covet. Again, this is my continuing thesis of how Disney is going to crush Netflix.
Sonny00:39:40Well, I mean, we have slightly different takes on this because my take has always been that Netflix will basically just be a big HBO. But, you know, maybe they have aspirations beyond that. I've never really quite understood what they are. But as far as it goes, I think it will be a big HBO for a long time. But, yeah, the Disney, I mean, I'm just looking right now at Disney's lineup.
Vic00:40:07So this happened in the news, Sonny, right? They announced that Disney, and they were talking about Star Wars and Avatar.
Sonny00:40:14Disney has to integrate Fox into its release schedule. So they put out a big release that talked about basically all the things that are coming out. And riffing on JVL's point, you have a lot of IP here. For instance, next up they have Aladdin, Dark Phoenix, the X-Men movie. um there's frozen 2 there's uh in november in december you have star wars the rise of skywalker which is the end of the uh the the sequel trilogy um then you have uh then it's then it's kind of interesting because you you in 2020 you get things like untitled kingsman movie uh you get mulan uh and then starting is that like live live action mulan yeah and then you get and then and then here's where it it starts getting just very very almost comical you know in may 2020 you have untitled marvel um in november 2020 untitled marvel uh uh you keep going 2021 you've got 2021 is my favorite here's here's i'm just gonna read you the whole lineup uh of disney movies real 2021 untitled marvel nimona i don't know what that is untitled disney live action untitled marvel untitled disney live action untitled pixar animation untitled indiana jones untitled disney live action untitled disney live action untitled marvel untitled disney animation avatar 2 2021 now here's j it's funny our friend j pod was uh emailing me about avatar 2 suggesting that james cameron is the george rr martin of uh of uh movies that he's like he keeps pushing this back he keeps pushing avatar back and pushing it back and pushing it back and then and i'm i my pushback on this was my understanding is that they're basically just doing this so they can set up uh avatar star wars avatar star wars that's what they're going to do going forward december is going to be either an avatar movie or a star wars movie going forward um but the other thing that came to mind and i have no idea if this has any grounding in reality this is baseless speculation my understanding is that James Cameron's holy grail for the last 10 years has been glassless 3D and my wonder is if he keeps pushing this back because he thinks he is just about there
Vic00:42:37he's on the cusp of this technology
Sonny00:42:40because everything I've heard about this movie is that it looks amazing they're done with principal photography they've been doing the 3D rendering they've been doing the CGI animation of Avatar 2 right right avatar 2 again my understanding is that filming is done they've got all the footage they're just they're just you know tinkering with it to make it look as as great as he wants it to look and my my wonder is if the big secret to this whole thing is that he's gonna bust out a brand
JVL00:43:10new technological innovation big thoughts sunny jvl you know anything about blastless 3d i know
Sonny00:43:19that nobody can get it to work didn't nintendo get it to work briefly uh i believe there was a
JVL00:43:25nintendo handheld system the the deal of which was it was glassless 3d but i don't recall i wish i didn't we're going to talk about this because i would have done some digging into it uh well i
Sonny00:43:35wanted to i wanted to surprise you with my big thought here well that has turned into a fabulous segment uh no i i wish i knew more about this i i well this is the thing is that and look again this is totally baseless speculation I am not I'm not like I don't have any inside information here except for the fact that everyone everyone I have heard from thinks this is going to be a game changing movie again like Avatar was a game changing sort of movie so I but when I'm trying to think of like what the I mean if it looks better okay that's great looking better is nice but what would actually be a game changing technological breakthrough would be... It's the Holy Grail.
JVL00:44:22It is the Holy Grail. JVL, do you have any other? What one best picture of the year Avatar was out?
Sonny00:44:27Hurt Locker.
JVL00:44:30Still blows me away. The movie industry gets a movie which changes the economics of the industry and adds something like 18% to the bottom line of every big budget movie coming out thereafter. And they say the most important movie of the year is The Hurt Locker.
Sonny00:44:46The Hurt Locker. The Hurt Locker was great.
JVL00:44:47I'm sure it was great. I love The Hurt Locker. How important is The Hurt Locker to the business of Hollywood?
Sonny00:44:52You just hate movies directed by women, probably. Only strong women. Let's get into that.
JVL00:44:56I only hate movies directed by strong women. No, it isn't. Really, I think The Hurt Locker is great. This is not a... But it's just as an... It would be like handing the best picture to a Netflix movie, right? I mean, the way in which Hollywood foolishly refuses to understand its best interests qua industry sometimes drives me insane.
Vic00:45:24What I didn't understand about the Hurt Locker is why didn't Hawkeye and Falcon use their powers?
JVL00:45:29In the Hurt Locker? Yeah. Because you were watching it recently. Hey, why is Falcon going to be the new Captain America? Because he has no powers. Well, I think he... Why isn't Bucky the new Captain America?
Sonny00:45:39Isn't it, like, isn't it, aren't they having, don't they have, like, a Disney TV show coming up where it's basically Falcon and Bucky? I don't know. I, like, I don't know. You know what? It gives the shield to Falcon.
Vic00:45:54Why doesn't it give the shield to Bucky? They can roid him up like they did Captain America in 1940 or whatever. They can exactly go his way.
Sonny00:46:03You don't want to give that, you don't want to make the Winter Soldier Captain America. You can't trust him.
Vic00:46:08he's got all that it broke his brain that's right in that weird arm uh i i'd say the word i'd say it was interesting when we're talking about this unveiling of these movies and it they they the
Sonny00:46:19slate goes all the way to 2026 yeah 2027 actually so 2023 that's great uh i mean 2022 again once again is just a bunch of untitled marvels and 2027 and then in 22 they start untitled star wars and then 23 is avatar 3 24 is untitled star wars blah blah so they're they're again the goal here is to alternate avatars and star wars um which is interesting i'm curious to know what exactly the star wars movies are i assume they're not the ryan johnson trilogy that had been announced because ryan johnson has been notably absent from all the uh the discussions of like what is coming out from star wars um uh i i would assume it's also probably not the benioff and weiss thing i just don't i don't know what it what it is i don't know what i hope it is is about like more
Vic00:47:08about infamous ness you want more emphasis yeah i mean they were leading us and the children the rising up of the children versus the but 2027 i'll be 54 years old and you know what probably still talking about these movies on this if we're lucky podcast if you haven't died hello and welcome to the sub beacon sponsored by recto cream at which point you will actually
Sonny00:47:31sound like gene legit time for diabetes watch 2027 from gout watch to diabetes watch my foot
Vic00:47:37swelled up this is the next morning it was gone i want to tell you about my diabetes in the in
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Vic00:47:49sponsored by the liberator catheter okay i use it all the time i'm not i'm not pretending it
Sonny00:47:54really works we wish we wish we could get some of that fox news uh catheter money i wish i had that
Vic00:47:59when i watched avengers three hours long okay um did you want to talk about uh i want to talk about
Sonny00:48:05sonic the hedgehog and the boys yes okay go for it don't throw me so what do you want the trailer i
JVL00:48:11saw the boys or sonic the hedgehog let's do the boys first boys first the boys is a new show coming to amazon the boys is a new show it is based on the garth ennis comic book which began as a wild storm comic wild storm that's a blast from the wild storm was a the edgy adult imprint of dc and the the premise of it was wild storm i thought wild storm was the jim lee image imprint no dc as what am i thinking of dc uh and the premise of what is that we live in a world which is filled with superheroes and the superheroes are all basically the kardashians they are drunk on being famous and celebrities and they're stupid for the most part and they're just like you know superheroes are just like everybody else which turns out to be a disaster and so the cia has a crack unit known as the boys whose job is to basically take out a
Vic00:49:03bunch of the superheroes are the superheroes doing bad things other than bad behavior are they killing people have they become bad guys or no i mean there are bad guys but even like the good
JVL00:49:11guys are just imagine if kim kardashian had the powers of superman and fancied herself to be a good guy she would still cause like horrendous chaos everywhere right and so lots of collateral and the it is a very red band trailer in the spirit of kick-ass and the the full of sex jokes there was there was a a scene in the trailer in which uh the wonder woman knockoff is like sitting on a guy's face and rips his heads off with her thighs while riding him uh and my favorite troll the thing which actually gives me the most hope for this series is that the uh so i don't know what it's called the sort of moment where everybody sort of strikes a pose you know that becomes the hero shot the hero shot is a direct ripoff of justice league it's great deeply funny
Sonny00:50:03i'm kind of there for it are you guys not excited uh sure i'm looking forward to it i feel like i'm
Vic00:50:09super heroed out i am so super heroed out i just don't have it in me anymore uh i i mean it depends
Sonny00:50:15on how well done it is right the trailer is pretty good but it could also just be smug there's carl urban there's a smugness to the sort of thing you know that that sometimes seeps into it like oh we're so much better than these dumb comic book movies i don't know okay we'll see and then there
JVL00:50:33was sonic the hedgehog sonic the hedgehog what's happening here the beloved game from sega which i believe debuted with the sega genesis i think so i'm ron burgundy i was we were a sega household growing up we had the genesis we had i was neither i was an apple 2e we had the saturn i believe oh and then we went dreamcast we were big into so we did a lot of sonic uh i have a bunch of thoughts About the Sonic the Hedgehog trailer Number one of which is I can't believe this has happened
Sonny00:51:04Sure why not I don't see why this is The natural evolution of things
JVL00:51:09Number two of which is that this is the role That Jim Carrey was born to play Jim Carrey is back In Ace Ventura Pet detective mode But as the villain With an actual twirly mustache Dr. Robotnik And I guess he has given up All of his Actually aspirations
Vic00:51:30He went from the Truman Show The Truman Show
Sonny00:51:34Well he made He's made a lot of bad movies Over the last like Five to ten years
JVL00:51:39And so he seems to have Finally given up And just decided Just give me the check This is who I am This is my everything I'm not going to put on airs anymore I'm going to make I'm going to talk out of my butt
Vic00:51:50Do you remember the Majestic?
JVL00:51:52Do you remember the commercials For the Majestic? The Majestic
Vic00:51:55Yeah and he had There was The power of movies I was, I was always, I'm always wary.
JVL00:52:01I remember his biopic.
Vic00:52:02Well, that's it. But I'm always, yeah, but I'm always wary of movie commercials where the commercial is not, you don't see the movie, you're seeing the actor talking about the movie. And that's the, and that was him. That was the first time I'd ever seen that. And it was Jim Carrey talking about how wonderful this role was and how special it was for him to be in the Majestic.
JVL00:52:19I took Jim Carrey's presence in this trailer as a sign that he has been broken as an artist. No? Yeah. No. Right. Right.
Sonny00:52:27No, I mean, whatever. Look, he'll make a lot of money out of it. Yeah, I've never... Really? No, this movie's going to be a disaster. He'll get a check. The most interesting thing about the trailer to me was that the design of Sonic was so bad and the response to it online was so furious that the studio actually said they're going to redesign the character. Did you see this, JVL? No. They're redesigning the character and they're going to reanimate him in the film. They're going to do that in the next six months, apparently.
Vic00:52:59Is it a famous voice doing him? I don't know. I saw that. You know, when you sent that text, I looked at the trailer. I had no idea what was happening. That's way after my time. I don't know Sonic the Hedgehog at all. I went from Atari to ColecoVision to an Apple IIe, and that was it.
JVL00:53:17Well, that's because you don't have a younger sibling.
Vic00:53:19Yeah, I never had a Nintendo or a Sega or a PlayStation or anything like that.
Sonny00:53:23I have no idea what was happening there. I was a Nintendo. I did have a Sega, what was the Game Genie? Or no, what was the handheld Sega?
JVL00:53:31Yeah, I know the one you're talking about.
Sonny00:53:32It was in color. It was like that was the big thing. That's why it was better than Game Genie.
JVL00:53:35We never had a handheld. Here's my question for you. So they're going to spend, I don't know how much it will cost to reanimate an entire movie. How much do you believe that reanimation will add to the eventual box office total? Tens of dollars? Now I'm definitely seeing it. As a corporate matter, how does somebody green light that? How does somebody say, yeah, I know people on Twitter are angry about the trailer we just showed for this movie that's going to make a total of $32 million. So let's go and spend. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to write the check.
Sonny00:54:11Here's another $50 million. Go for it. I don't know. You know what?
JVL00:54:17This business deserves everything it's got.
Sonny00:54:20It'll be great when it shows up on Netflix. Yeah.
Vic00:54:23okay uh moving on corrections additions i've got a few jvl listener listener kevin peterson sends you this you were talking about the cover art for best movie no year ever and look what kevin
JVL00:54:42says kevin thank you how did you do this kevin yeah it's nicely cut don't don't tweet at me kevin will you email me and tell me how you got this i love it it's the cover it's the cover of
Vic00:54:53best movie ever that we were talking about uh and uh beautifully done has given to us thank you
Sonny00:55:00kevin game gear that was the name of the system game game gear okay good uh quick shout out to
Vic00:55:05nurse ally glenn she takes care of her father mike who has gout and she's a long time listening to the sub beacon so there you go we're all in it together and then finally last week we talked about poke and I mentioned Sonny we were talking about sushi sashimi I said nigiri Christopher Ziegler says it's nigiri nigiri I wonder if that applies to unagi I love that unagi that eel delicious unagi not that you and I go to poke together anymore no I don't
Sonny00:55:33go anymore because you complain about the number of scoops you got yeah because I got gypped I paid for four you can't say that anymore did he did he cause a scene I just said, excuse me. So at the place we go to, Poke Bar, you can get a small, medium, or large. Small is two scoops of protein. It's like, you know, the fish. Medium is three scoops. Large is four scoops. I always get the small because when you get the small, they give you a little extra. They know what they're doing. And I tell Vic, don't get the large. It's a scam. You don't want to do it. So he goes there, and he orders the large like an idiot, like a total dumb. I'm hungry. I want the most. Like a dum-dum. And then when they're scooping it out, they didn't put enough in the scoop.
Vic00:56:16Not only is she just gave three scoops, sometimes it's two and a half.
Sonny00:56:19This was flat out just three. I counted. They didn't put enough scoops in. And he said, excuse me, excuse me, I had a large. Did he talk slowly and loudly, too, so they can understand that? I had a large. Can I get, that's four scoops, right? I only got three scoops. Excuse me, lady. It was like, what's his name in office space? Milton?
Vic00:56:41I'm paying two bucks more.
Sonny00:56:42I ordered the large, and if you give me the medium scoops, I'm going to burn the building down. You know what? And it was so embarrassing. You know what? I'm paid, man. That's a lot of money. I turned my back on Vic, and I walked to the cash register. The other day? I don't go there anymore with him. I was coming back from the Poke Bar yesterday, and I was like, I had to go on my own. I'm sorry, man. I noticed that.
Vic00:57:03How dare you?
JVL00:57:04I'm just trying to get my money's worth over here. Did you ask for the manager?
Vic00:57:07Well, the manager's at the end. He knows what's going on.
JVL00:57:09So what was the denouement?
Vic00:57:11We're still friends. We're still friends. I got my fourth scoop.
JVL00:57:13You got another scoop.
Vic00:57:15Sonny, do you know who acts like that in retail situations? Old people. Yeah. And that's the time we're all giving to this episode. Questions, comments, complaints, compliments. Tweet us at Victorino Mattis at Sonny Bunch. You're still not on. Never. Just checking. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes or Google Play. Just type in Subbeacon or Podcast. We're there. Leave a review. Tell your friends. Until next time. People accused you of not listening to the song. Isn't that funny?
Sonny00:57:46People accused me of...
Vic00:57:46Of not knowing the theme song of the Subbeacon.
Sonny00:57:49Well, I had to look... I mean, I had to look it up in my email. It just... But that's become the classic thing.
Vic00:57:54You make the sound of the song at the end. I have a...
Sonny00:57:58Sounds very similar.
JVL00:57:59Oh, I got something. Oh, you do. Can you do... Let's do both. Okay. This should be a bonus. Sure. Because mine isn't very long. Mine too. This is very inside baseball for Catholics.
Vic00:58:10Oh. So Flash comes... It's not a sin. The answer is it's not a sin.
JVL00:58:14Flash comes and sits down with Shannon and I last week and says, boy, we got to talk. Okay, what's up? He goes, so what is it called when you get the wounds of Christ on your palms and your feet? Some of the saints have it, and Shannon's like, the stigmata. He's like, yes, the stigmata. And it's like, it's only for saints, right? Like Padre Pio, and then Shannon's like, yes, it's very rare. And he goes, guys, I'm so excited. I think little E is getting the stigmata. Little E being the younger daughter. Yes. Which my wife looks at him and says, no, she was just doing the monkey bars. Those are calluses on her hands. We are raising such a crazy Catholic family that when you see little blisters, you're getting excited. The first thing that comes to mind is, well, it must be the stigmata. That's funny.
Sonny00:59:13The stigmata is not a good thing, right? You don't want to get the stigmata. Everybody wants the stigmata.
Vic00:59:20The more suffering, the closer you get.
JVL00:59:23What do you got? Father Murphy and Father Harrison are going to love that. I bet they're going to love that.
Vic00:59:29So I don't know if you noticed this. I noticed this on Facebook. If you're posting photos, now they give you suggestion emojis that you could add to the pictures. So like they're analyzing the photos. So when we went to Grand Cayman, I posted some photos for family and friends only. And the emojis will pop up like there's like the shark with the sunglasses, right? Or the palm tree. These photos you took while the kids were out on their solo snorkeling. Yeah, the stuff like that. So anyway, you have pictures of them. And but it's like, OK, how about a picture, you know, like emoji of a son smiling with sunglasses. And so I said, OK, but I don't do that stuff. But that's weird. And then I posted a photo of me with my two children. And the emoji suggestion was, best grandpa ever. I'm not making that up.
Guest01:00:22I'm not making it up.
JVL01:00:25I'm sure it's fine.
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