#37. Rambo: Last Blood and Sonny’s Fashion Statement
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With Vic back in the chair, the gang gives the Free Beacon office what it demanded and finally reviews Rambo: Last Blood, which Sonny sums up as "basically Taken" on the Mexican border and ranks dead last among the five films — lean at 100 minutes, with a great orgy of blood in the final stretch, but "no real complaints and no real praise either." JVL, to his own surprise, is the one who gets worked up, calling the depiction of Mexico "deeply problematic" (every man in flannel buttoned at the top, no police, nothing but cartel) and knocking the tunnel showdown for having no sense of geography, even as he cheers the moment it turns into Saw for the bad guys. He then delivers his real thesis: every Rambo picture is about America's view of its place in the world — First Blood in 1982 as Vietnam's unpaid debt, Part II in 1985 reclaiming the win, Rambo III in 1988 riding high with the Mujahideen, the 2008 film as unease about soft power, and Last Blood as unmistakable fear of immigration, right down to Stallone flattening a section of border fence with his truck. Vic grades it an A+ on his sabermetric criteria of length, violence and plot legibility, ranks the kills (nails at three, machete at two, the hollow pole through the eye at one), and gets himself in trouble wondering why a trafficking operation would brutalize its own workforce, which sends JVL doing the math on "40 or 50 guys a night" and concluding there must be 2,000 men lined up around the block. Before that: Sonny defends a white linen suit after Labor Day because it was 95 degrees, JVL confesses a Civilization V relapse with heroin-style rules about where he's allowed to play, Vic is learning a Descendants 3 Hades duet with his daughter to win the Thanksgiving talent show, and an Oscar Mayer hot dog ice cream shipment arrives without dry ice and is scrapped over listeria fears.
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Guest00:00:00All these years I've kept my secrets, but the time has come to face my past. And if it comes looking for me, they will welcome death.
Vic00:00:30Hello and welcome to another edition of the Sub-Beacon, sponsored by Common Express VPN. I'm Victor Matus, along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. Just a reminder, the Sub-Beacon is available on iTunes, Google Play, and Stitcher. Look at our podcast and search for Sub-Beacon. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and leave a review. Gentlemen, how are we?
JVL00:00:54Hey, boys. Hey, guys.
Vic00:00:55JVL, what's going on?
JVL00:00:57Victorino, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming in and sitting and being my guest on my other show this week in what was the most downloaded episode of the JVL show ever.
Vic00:01:10You know, by the way, I think that's a great name for the show, the JVL show. It just should be.
JVL00:01:16Well, you know what? That's what the URL is.
Vic00:01:18You are your own thing, and it's not like JVL is you. You always insisted on having the middle initial, but it works.
JVL00:01:27You know who didn't like that?
Vic00:01:28Fred Barnes. Fred Barnes liked it.
Sonny00:01:30Fred W. Barnes.
Vic00:01:32Journalists should not have middle.
JVL00:01:32Not only did he not want the middle initial, he didn't want me to be Jonathan either. He was like, John Last. John Last. I said, Fred, literally nobody in my entire life has ever called me John. He's like, eh, anyway. Too long.
Vic00:01:44It's much like Fred is so famous for short sentences, very, very short sentences. I'm not Frederick W. Barnes. Byline, yeah, that's his father. John Last. General.
Sonny00:01:52I can see Fred Barnes doing a John Last bit where he just, you know, you introduce yourself as the guy in the fedora with, like, the press tag. John Last here, Tribune.
Vic00:02:03No, I enjoyed doing your show. We get to talk about all the stuff that Sonny won't let us talk about here. Oh, that was a long, the Civilization talk went on for about 20 minutes.
Sonny00:02:14You described the show as Sub-Beacon without Sonny, and as I replied to you over text, hard pass. Hard pass. All caps. Hard pass. I wasn't insulted. I was just, you know.
Vic00:02:25No, it's not your cup of tea, as they say. It was funny because I, you know, there were things I was just sort of caught off guard with in terms of, like, memories of the standard, but after 21 years, it's sort of all blurs. Did you have fun? I had a blast. I just wish I had more, you know, more memories at the time. Sometimes when you get caught, you know.
Sonny00:02:46JVL, do you want to tell people how they can access this show? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
JVL00:02:49Just go to thejvlshow.com, and it will take you to the Patreon page. It'll walk you through the whole process.
Vic00:02:55If you have, I haven't gotten a chance, it's been very busy these last couple of weeks, a couple of weeks, do you have music and things like that?
?00:03:02Yeah.
Vic00:03:03Oh, good.
JVL00:03:03Yeah, I do. Good. It's all the stuff that we couldn't do here. But, so, we did spend, as you said. Right, so it all sorts of sound effects. You got a sound effect bar. As you say, we spent a long time talking about Civilization. We did, we did. And I have been in recovery from Civilization for a long time. Yeah, you were nuts about it. At work. Oh, you can say it now because you don't work there anymore. I would say. When you play at work, it's very dangerous to play at work. No, I redownloaded it after the tape. Civilization 5? Yeah. Yeah. And it's good, isn't it? It's good.
Vic00:03:39I love the game. I gotta delete it from my computer again. I can't have it on here. There's certain things I won't do now out of principle. One, I've never played that at work. Like, Snood, yes. You know, but not Civilization. And I won't play it. Like, if I'm, like, in the morning, like, oh, I would never, like, I think it would just be bad. But our friend, you know, Chris Caldwell, he'd play it. He'd play at the deity level and he'd play. You ever watch, have you ever seen Chris Caldwell play Civilization? Yes. It's terrifying. So many things are happening so fast. He moves so fast.
JVL00:04:10It turns out it's blinding speed. Blinding speed. So I gotta come up with some guardrails to keep my life from spiraling out of Civilization control.
Vic00:04:20Especially since my wife is going away for the weekend.
JVL00:04:22Oh. So I think that the key is I can't play it at work. No. And I can't play it at home.
Sonny00:04:27So this is basically the rules for heroin abuse as well. So what you're saying. Not at work. Not in front of the kids. Not in front of the kids. And not at home. I'm not sure what gray area that leads me.
Vic00:04:39So that means you're playing it right now in studio. I can't see your laptop.
Sonny00:04:42So that means that you are going to motels. Hourly motels. Rent them by the hour. And you're just like, I need one hour. I need one hour. That's $25, sir. All right.
Vic00:04:52How was.
Sonny00:04:54Extra 10 for sheets.
Vic00:04:57There was a place, I have to tell you, in Tom's River called the Americana Motel. And they had a sign in the front. And I used to always wonder about it when I was a kid, which was it said, poof, hourly rates.
Sonny00:05:09Are you sure this isn't the place that's in Crystal City? Like right over the bridge? That's also called the Americana.
Vic00:05:16It must be. If you're Americana, you could own the only place that you can, you know.
Sonny00:05:20The trashiest chain in the country.
Vic00:05:22You're only allowed to turn tricks there. Nothing else. Anyway, what was I saying? Oh, yeah. So I didn't get a chance to.
JVL00:05:29I can't wait to get inside the new poof. Poof. Yes. Do you remember this from Arrested Development? That's right. That's right. Jason Bateman says, his name is Gary and we do not need another lawsuit. Well, so how was last week's show? I thought it was really good. I thought it was a good show. Do you agree? It was a good show. Yeah.
Sonny00:05:49I thought we had a lot of fun. I thought it was a good show. Yeah. Did you enjoy it when you listened to it? There was a lot to talk about considering that none of us really liked the movie.
Vic00:05:55I was going to say because it's a long movie. It's a long movie. I'm glad I missed the movie, so thank you.
Sonny00:05:59Did you listen to the show?
JVL00:06:01I did not listen to the show. Because I'm going to say, one of my favorite things is the couple shows a year when I am not on it. Is, yeah. I love listening to the shows that I'm not on.
Vic00:06:08I agree.
JVL00:06:09And they always seem better to me than the shows I am on.
Vic00:06:10Because it's fresh. No, it's only because you're not on it and so you don't anticipate. You already know what's going to happen, the shows that you're on or not on. I think we have a general sort of solid quality to all of our episodes. And the only reason why I haven't been listening to the show is on my drives to work. Uh, what, I've been listening to a, a Disney song from Descendants 3. Why? I'll tell you why. Which one?
JVL00:06:34The duet with, uh, the Cheyenne and.
Vic00:06:37Yes. How do you know where I'm going with this? Because as you, as listeners know, we do, uh, an annual Thanksgiving talent show at my parents' house and I want to win the trophy. And I figured what better way than joining forces with my daughter. She says I need the blue wig to be Hades. So you know exactly what I'm talking about. Of course. You go, you do what you gotta do. I only did what's best for you.
JVL00:07:01And he, he's like, you know, I was helping you by giving you your daddy issues. It's really kind of weird. Try being married to your mother.
Vic00:07:10Thank God. If I can't do it, you're going to have to sub in. Jonathan, I need you up here. I need my understudy.
JVL00:07:15I gotta say.
Vic00:07:16I steal souls. Are you expecting flowers? Thank you.
JVL00:07:19So for people who, so I, okay. So the actor, do you know where you know him from? That actor?
Vic00:07:24He looks like a very young Michael Keaton. 30 Rock.
JVL00:07:27He was on 30 Rock for three seasons as the, the, the Canadian cast member who comes in
Vic00:07:32to replace Cheyenne something or another.
JVL00:07:36He's very funny.
Sonny00:07:36He's a very gifted comedian. I don't even know what you guys are talking about. You're talking about Descendants 3. Not yet. Not yet. When your daughter gets a little older. You're seven years out. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Is this like a Netflix show? What's the Disney channel? Disney Plus. Disney Plus movie.
JVL00:07:50And it's the final one of them because as my kids are all like, you know, I can't wait for Descendants 4 and I have not told them that they will not be a Descendants 4 because Carlos is dead. I know. Yeah. I just haven't told them that because I'm sure it'll make them very sad. Is this one of the Disney stars who OD'd? No. No. He had a seizure and I think probably hit his head. Is it epilepsy? That's sad. Yeah. I retract my joke. No. Yeah. My daughter knows it's very, because her cousin told her. So, so Descendants 3 is obviously the worst of all three.
Vic00:08:18I have not actually watched. I have not actually watched. I would not. I'm not watching this movie.
JVL00:08:25How do you not wind up watching? The movies that your kids are watching. You don't get suckered into.
Vic00:08:29Not that. Oh, you're off playing Civilization while they're watching your movie. You go watch that.
JVL00:08:32I think to myself, oh, I will sit and be with my children.
Sonny00:08:35But it turns out I could just be playing Civ. Well, it's actually, it's segregated because. It's on your laptop, right? Why can't you just play Civ on the couch? You can't focus on the movie.
Vic00:08:44Well, no, but my son, my son won't watch it.
Sonny00:08:46You don't want to focus on the movie. The movie sounds terrible. It's terrible.
Vic00:08:50My wife, she'll watch with her and then I'll watch like Top Gear or something with my son
JVL00:08:56downstairs.
Vic00:08:56Or the Grand Tour, which ended, but there's going to be a new Grand Tour, which is just road trips. And we should think about doing that in our future. A road trip? Instead of like weekly episodes, we'll just save up for like three or four really good long ones and that's it for the year. Sonny, what's going on?
Sonny00:09:13How are you, Santino? Can we get paid like three or four times as much? That would be nice. I'm good. I don't know. I'm busy and tired. May I ask a question about that jacket? Sure.
Vic00:09:25Oh, I. I have one question, too. You first.
Sonny00:09:28It is after Labor Day. That's my question, Mr. Wolf. I'm glad you brought this up because I was going to mention this and then I decided not to. It would be a little bit too a feat. It is a cream color. However, it's 100% a white linen jacket and I'm wearing linen pants. And you know why? Because it was 95 degrees yesterday. If it's going to be summer temperatures, I'm going to wear summer clothes and nobody's going to stop me. I don't care about your rules, man. I don't care about. I don't care about civilization. What does it say in your dumb video game about when you can wear linen, huh? I'm going to wear. I'm going to wear white after Labor Day if Labor Day is going to F me in the A with this 95 degree weather.
Vic00:10:08F me in the A.
Sonny00:10:09I just don't want to have to beep it.
Vic00:10:10So you are not. Fork me in the ash. You are not being dependent on calendar dates. You're now climate dependent on your clothing.
Sonny00:10:21If the climate is going to change and I'm fine with that. We're going to have to rejigger all of those rules, aren't we? We're going to have to rejigger all of those rules. We're going to have to change all these rules and I'm fine. I'm an adaptable progressive sort. I can get with it. I can get with the program.
Vic00:10:33Next episode, Sonny's going to be in a seersucker.
Sonny00:10:36I'm going to come in with like a Hawaiian shirt. A Hawaiian shirt and long shorts.
JVL00:10:42All I can think of is, do you remember this, Victorino?
Vic00:10:46Yeah. No, it's the linen jacket of Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman. The professional. The professional. Right, right.
JVL00:10:51Where he, there's that fantastic crane shot over him as he has just done a line.
Vic00:10:56Oh, he takes something. Is it a pill or is he snorting? He's putting something in his mouth. And he puts his hands out like he's crying.
JVL00:11:02Pill pop. And he looks up into the sky and sort of spins around slowly.
Vic00:11:08Before they kill the family.
JVL00:11:09In his white linen suit.
Sonny00:11:12Yeah. That's right. That's a good look. That's right. It's a good look for murder.
Vic00:11:14Gary Oldman always looks good.
Sonny00:11:16Gary Oldman does always.
Vic00:11:17Even when he looks like that. But, you know, great. Love Gary Oldman. So, otherwise, you're just fine? Everything else? Just busy? Yeah, fine. Just busy? That's it? Okay. Victorino, how are you? I'm fine. I think I've said everything I needed to say on your show. Okay. I don't have anything. I don't have a good transition. So, I'm just going to go right to the box office. I know people are going to think, wow, that was the most abominable transition ever. Oh, over the weekend. Oh!
Sonny00:11:41Surprise!
Vic00:11:42Surprise transition. The double bluff. I love it. Surprise transition. You really Pearl Harbored us on that one. Over the weekend, abominable. Took the top spot at the box office with 20.6%. Followed by Downton Abbey with 14.3 million. And in third place was Hustlers with 11.4 million dollars. Box office thoughts.
Sonny00:12:09My big box office thought is somebody on the internet, I believe it's screenwriter Zach Stentz, was making the point that Universal has now had the most number one movies this year aside from like Disney. Oh, wow. So, they must be doing really well. Well, they are. What they've done is that they have figured out how to do like a sort of kind of counter-programming, right? So, you have the cheaper horror movies or Jordan Peele movies or whatever, right? Abominable, which is a, like, it's not cheap exactly. It was a $75 million movie, but family movies. As far as like animated family movies go, that's not that expensive.
Vic00:12:45What studio does the animation for this?
Sonny00:12:48So, it was Universal. Universal Animation.
Vic00:12:50Okay.
Sonny00:12:51All right. And there was another one. His point was that, like, if you aren't going to succeed in the big tentpole space, and really the only company that seems to be succeeding in the big tentpole space right now is Disney slash Marvel. Then you need to figure out, like, how to create event programming of a sort to get very specific niche audiences out, right? So, it was, you know, a couple weeks ago, it was Hustlers with, we talked about this a little bit last week. And Downton Abbey. And Downton Abbey and Abominable. Abominable or, you know, again, your Jordan Peele horror movies, etc. You can do, you have to find this, if you are going to succeed as a big studio at this point in history, you need to figure out how to find a niche for yourself. And finding a niche for yourself involves getting a targeted demo out very effectively. Hitting it hard and doing it in a mid-budget, right?
JVL00:13:50I mean, that's the other good thing is you can do this, right? Yeah. You can make real money if you can control your costs and not be dependent on having Tom Cruise in your flick or something like that. It's, I don't know, it's pretty good. Can I ask you boys two trailer questions? Sure. On a scale of 1 to 10, what does the trailer for Ford vs. Ferrari do to you downtown? Oh, that's gross.
Vic00:14:18Because that looks so good. It's going to be fantastic.
JVL00:14:22Early favorite best picture? No. I assume. No. I don't think it's going to be the best picture.
Vic00:14:28Anything with Christian Bale. By the way, I'm so glad to see Jon Bernthal really emerging from this. Sonny, you have no reaction to Ford vs. Ferrari.
Sonny00:14:34You're just like, it looks okay.
Vic00:14:38It's a great idea. It's a great, anything, you know, if you're into sort of Le Mans. Is that Le Mans? The Le Mans 24 hours?
JVL00:14:46It's like Cowboys vs. Aliens.
Vic00:14:47But for cars. Oh, because it's Ford vs. Ferrari? Yeah, I mean, it's a great idea. And I got into... Learning a lot about this when I had to write about my test drive of an Aston Martin for the Free Beacon and learning about the history. And Aston Martin had won, I think, the Le Mans maybe only once. But I think Carroll Shelby was part of that team. And then, of course, Shelby went on to help with Ford vs. Ferrari. Really interesting story. And ever since then, of course, the dominant winner, I think, has always been Porsche. For the Le Mans. Mercedes stopped competing for like 30 years after the 1950 or whatever it is Le Mans where like 80 people died or something. It was like a car came out, a car crashed, and, you know, at high speed, came apart. It was a really cool looking car. And like, for example, like Flames. It was Flames and Flames and Car Pieces, Body Parts Everywhere.
Sonny00:15:50Why didn't they make that into a movie?
Vic00:15:52They might. They might show a little bit. 24 Hours.
Sonny00:15:55I believe there are shots of 24 bodies of Le Mans.
Vic00:16:00The engine. Wow. Wow. The engine block came flying out at like 100 miles an hour, just flattening people. And then, of course, the hood came out like a sheet of metal, like decapitating. It decapitated bystanders.
JVL00:16:12Like a flying blade.
Vic00:16:14Yeah, it was like a flying blade. It was like the worst. It was like, yeah, it was awful. And so death proof. Of course, I found that to be fascinating. And the material that the car was made from. When the firemen came over, water just made it worse, you know, into putting it out instead of, you know, so whatever it was made for. Because the fire. I'm sure you're not thinking of Chernobyl.
Sonny00:16:39The graphite is Chernobyl, right? It was a nuclear car. The RBMK racing car. And they put the, they sprayed water on it and the fire just spread.
Vic00:16:49The car, their hands were melting. Okay. I'm so there for it. No, me too. I can't wait to see it. Not terrible, not great. Midway. Midway, Victorino. Awful, awful. You might as well call it Red Tails 2. I mean, the special effects look awful. And I like the people in the movie. Who's in the movie? Thomas Jane or Aaron Eckhart? One of them is in the movie.
Sonny00:17:12Aaron Eckhart. Yeah, he looks terrible. I would say that. Well, the other guy. I would say that I, as long as you can accept the fact that this basically looks like one really nice cut scene from a video game. Um, it looks, it looks totally acceptable. Yes. Yes.
Vic00:17:30Uh, the, I, I, story wise, I hope it's better than, is it a remake of the original midway with Charlton Heston? Because that one was a terrible story, uh, where, you know, it's like, you know, like
JVL00:17:42a daughter who stows away. No, it is.
Vic00:17:44That's pretty good. A daughter stows away is a good one too. This one is the son who's in love with the Japanese girl who is now in an internment camp. Yeah. It was very 70s. It was very 70s. And then they just use the same repeated footage. So they kept on bragging about how they use actual war footage, but it's like, really the same one over and over again. So I hope this is better, but I don't know if I can see the visual effects look terrible on that. Okay. Um, so you guys talked about Downton Abbey last week as well.
JVL00:18:11No, we didn't.
Vic00:18:12No, nobody, nobody, nobody has a no desire to see that movie. No desire. I saw it. I saw it. Did you, how good was it?
Sonny00:18:19It's, I mean, it's weird because I've never, I've never actually seen any episodes of the show. So I don't have, I didn't have any idea what was going on. Um, what, what I said last week, uh, is that it, it, it is kind of, it reminds me a bit of the Deadwood movie insofar as it's not so much a longer episode as it is a truncated season.
Vic00:18:42Yes. Right.
Sonny00:18:42So it's not like there were, there were moments in the Deadwood movie where like I could, there were things that happened that I could see playing out over 60 minutes that instead take place over like four minutes. Right. Right. And that, that, you know, that, that has its pluses and minuses. Um, but without Nabi, it was, there was like a subplot where the, uh, there's like an Irish guy who wants to assassinate the King for some reason. And he like, he like pops into a scene for like 30 seconds and like looks around shiftily and then like exits. And I'm like, I'm like, okay, I could see how this could be like a multiple episode thing where he shows up for like five minutes an episode and you learn more about this. And instead it's just like, he's like, he like literally shows up and like his eyes dart around and then he like jumps off the screen again and it's like, what is going on with this guy?
Vic00:19:26Spoiler alert. Is the, is the King okay?
Sonny00:19:28King was fine. King does not get assassinated. Thank God.
Vic00:19:31Uh, I'd say, but you don't, you're not a regular watcher of Downton Abbey. Were you, you could admit it like, because my wife loved watching it. You end up by osmosis. One season.
JVL00:19:39I said this last week. It was the same as Mad Men. It would add one good season of story and then it became a soap opera and I'm not interested in soap operas.
Vic00:19:46I like stories. I've, I've, Downton Abbey is very much soap opera. Um, I will say for listeners, since these guys probably don't know, I would say in our world of Downton Abbey, Sonny is Mr. Bates and Jonathan is Thomas the Butler. Okay. Thank you. I don't know. I don't know. Don't look into it. Don't look into it. Just leave it be. You're welcome. Everybody. Master Bates.
JVL00:20:09I believe. Master Bates. Okay.
Vic00:20:11Uh, all the way, all the way down in sixth place was Rambo. Last Blood. It's been around in theaters now for two weeks. Uh, and that's the movie that we have decided to discuss today is Rambo.
Sonny00:20:22We got so much, we got so much guff. We got so much guff from people in the office.
Vic00:20:25They were like, why didn't you talk about Rambo? Why are you talking about that dumb sci-fi movie? So I was like, okay. All right. Here you go, everybody. Here's Rambo. We can talk about Rambo, I guess. Sonny, you want a big boy review?
Sonny00:20:39Uh, it's basically taken, uh, but with Rambo and at the Mexican border. Um, I, Rambo is living in Arizona, I think, uh, for some reason now. He, he, last we had seen him, he was in like Thailand or Indonesia. Indonesia or something.
Vic00:20:55Yes. At the Burma.
Sonny00:20:56Burma. Maybe. Uh, Myanmar. I don't know. Somewhere. Yes. Uh, somewhere in there. And, uh, he now is living in Arizona and in the interceding 11 years has like essentially adopted this young Mexican American girl who is sad because she doesn't know who her dad is. So she goes down to Mexico to find her dad. Dad's like, I don't love you and I don't care about you. Get out of my life. You mean nothing to me.
Vic00:21:20That's literally word for word. What do you think?
Sonny00:21:22And then she, it's, it's, you know. It's, you know, it's a, it's, it's a, it's another movie about dads and how their abandonment really, uh, changes us. Um, uh, so she gets kidnapped by the cartels and forced into a life of sex and drugs. Uh.
Vic00:21:39But for only a short amount of time.
Sonny00:21:41I, I, it was not entirely clear to me how much time actually, uh, goes by in this movie. Because so, so just for example, uh, there's, there's a scene, there's a series. There's basically a montage instead of like a Rocky working out montage in this movie, we get a Rambo recovering from a concussion montage and it, it, it, it, it, it is supposed to show us the passage of time because he gets this concussion and he's like, he's all cut up and he like recovers from his wounds and like the, as he's recovering, the girl is like becoming more addicted to drugs and getting used more for sex and it's like she's spiraling down and he's like slowly recuperating. But again, it like, I have no idea. I have no idea how much time actually elapsed, like, is it two days? Is it four weeks? I believe it's four days because the doctor says he'll be okay in four or five days. Okay. So in four or five days, she basically pulls a Padme and gives up the will to live. And while he's driving her back to Arizona, she dies. And then Rambo has to take his revenge on the cartel that is coming to his house where he's got lots of murder tunnels and, and that's the movie. Later on. That's the movie. Uh, I mean, it's fine. It's totally, it, it, it is, I am sympathetic to the author of the original, uh, Rambo book, First Blood, who says this could be any generic, um, action star. It does not have to be Rambo. I don't know why they made it Rambo. And you know, the reason they made it Rambo is because this movie does $20 million if you put Rambo in the title in the first weekend. And if you don't put Rambo in the title in the first weekend, it does eight. So, uh, that's why. I don't know. It's fine. I, I thought it was totally okay. I don't really like the Rambo movies. I think First Blood is very good. We discussed this a little bit last week. I think First Blood is very good and everything else after that is like a pretty steep decline. Um, and.
JVL00:23:36Who's the commie now? Yeah.
Sonny00:23:39Well, I mean, no, I, I, this is why I was annoyed by the people in my, in our office because they're right. I am a communist who hates America and America's greatest champion, Rambo.
JVL00:23:47Hey, you put an Elizabeth Warren pin on your lapel there today. I didn't realize that. Yeah.
Sonny00:23:54Elizabeth. Yay. Uh, no, I, uh, I, I it's again, it's totally fine. It's entered the last 10 minutes or so is like a real great orgy of blood and violence. That's fantastic. Um, it's lean at a hundred minutes. It zipped by.
Vic00:24:07To the music of the doors.
Sonny00:24:08Um, I had no, I had no real, I have no real complaints about it, but I have no real praise for it either.
Vic00:24:14It is, it is totally generic and disposable and I, you know, as a matter of, it was interesting as a matter of therapy because he is constantly, you know, he has this voiceover that recurs through the movie. And one of the things he says is, you know, people don't change, you know, we don't change, you know? Cause there's all you change. Oh, I didn't change the whole thing. And, and it's the exact opposite of Rocky four, where he says everybody can change. And so I don't know why he contradicted himself, Rocky Rambo and anyway, but one of the things he says is put a lid on it. Right. I like that. That's good advice for everybody. You tell them, you know, millennials put a lid on it. That'd be a good thing. And then the other thing is what's with the tunnels and the tunnels was therapy. And that was sort of his way of keeping calm, but there's gotta be easier ways JVL. That's an okay transition.
Sonny00:25:05It was not as good as the sneak attack. The sneak attack was so good.
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Vic00:27:08Thank you JVL. So what did you think of Rambo last blood?
JVL00:27:14Uh, I actually had a lot of thoughts and I was surprised when you guys said you didn't think there was anything to talk about.
Sonny00:27:21Um, I did not say there's anything to talk about. I said, I don't care about Rambo. So I don't have a lot of like real deep thoughts on Rambo.
JVL00:27:30So uh, I, I am not a very special snowflake and you were triggered by this movie. I am not super, oh boy. I am. For instance, when there was the mini controversy around black Hawk down for how it was othering people in Somalia. I thought that was silly. The depiction of Mexico and Mexicans in Rambo last blood, I found deeply problematic.
Vic00:28:01Now keep in mind, this is a border town. This is not, you know, Cabo San Lucas. So he's just going over the border. It's a little rundown like Tijuana man alive.
JVL00:28:12I mean, I like everybody is dressed in, you know, the long sleeve flannels with the one top button, like everybody, literally everybody. You see in Mexico looks like they are out of central casting for like gang for gangs. Everything is the worst poverty. There's just the naked assumption that there is no law here. There are no police. Right?
Sonny00:28:35So it's the third world. I mean, I mean, Mexico is a borderline failed state in places. I mean, I like I'm not I'm not again, this I actually I wrote about this for the Washington Post. I like I think it's weird that people get triggered by this. This sort of thing, because the cartels are actually the real problem. They're the worst people on the planet, and I don't really have a problem with depicting them as such.
JVL00:29:01No, I don't either. But but the vision of it as if there is nothing other than the cartel, I get maybe maybe it's perfectly realistic. It struck me as borderline.
Sonny00:29:11It's a 100 minute exploitation movie. I mean, I'm like, I'm not I'm not 100% sure what you're it's not Sicario. Like Sicario is an artful depiction. Of life in Mexico. And that doesn't really paint a much nicer picture. That's true.
JVL00:29:26No, fair, fair enough. But you were you were triggered. Not true. I'd say I just found a problem that I was just really uncomfortable with the the level of also this is right racism.
Sonny00:29:37I mean, this is this is not this. This is also unfair to the treatment of the Mexican American characters on this side of the border. The girl before she goes over the grandma, saintly grandma, saintly grandma and the woman
Vic00:29:50who helps. And the woman who helps. Yeah, what about that? What about the investigative journalist? She's good. The investigative journalist. Played by Paz Vega. I know. I was like, didn't look like Paz Vega now.
Sonny00:29:59Did not look like Paz Vega. I was like, I know, I think I well, you know, I think it's fine.
JVL00:30:05But there there are a couple of things that bugged me cinematically, like, so can we talk about the tunnel murder scene? Sure. So there are parts about it which were, in fact, fantastic. The fact of the fact that all of a sudden it turns into Saw, but for the bad guys I'm there for.
Vic00:30:27That's great. I haven't seen by the way.
JVL00:30:29Except that it was sort of nonsensical in the way that it was laid out. There was no sense of geography about like, so over here in the west end of the tunnel. It's the advantage of the tunnels. And then over here is the direct so much leeway.
Sonny00:30:42It was just like, we're just going to show you the death scene. But JVL, that that shows you the confusion inherent in the tunnels. You know, you go in there and you get lost. Yeah. Like a chicken with your head cut off until your head actually gets cut off.
Vic00:30:54I will say it was like you were back in numb.
JVL00:30:57These are the dumbest cartel people ever. So they show up. Some of them. I don't know if you notice, but they're not cartels, a prostitution ring on earbuds for communications arrays. But not all of them. Yeah. Some of them have walkie talkies that they're using. Some have like lights on their head. How they knew to show up with wearing helmets with lights on their heads. I would say. But they decide.
Sonny00:31:22Well, they were going into a tunnel to get to America. So maybe they were just the guys who were leading the tunnel.
JVL00:31:27And then once in America, they were able to find five Mercedes class.
Sonny00:31:30Well, they've they've got like a they've got like an armory on the other side of the border.
Vic00:31:35How did how did they cross the border? Did they go with the fence that that Sylvester Stallone broke?
Sonny00:31:40So this is tunnels. There's one actual interesting shot in this movie, which is they they show the people walking into a tunnel and then the camera goes overhead. It goes outside and goes overhead and shows them going under a wall, like just straight up under a wall. And then you see them coming out of the other side into a warehouse armory type thing, which
JVL00:32:01shows you the wall doesn't work, which is like the most explicitly political thing in the film. It's like it is like, you know, there's there's many more political. Well, we get to the politics of it because I want to talk about the politics, but I do want to say that in the the tunnel, that's the fact that these guys who I mean, they're using military style. Hand motions right there. They seem to have some form of discipline, tactical discipline, but they're they just run into these dark tunnels where you don't know what's going on and keep shooting. And then when you hear people dying instead of pulling back and figuring out like, OK, so maybe we just want to firebomb the guy down there and suck all the just keep running around these guys, not the sharpest. You wonder how how do they cut to the top of the cartel heap? How do they run?
Sonny00:32:45How do they run?
Vic00:32:46It's not a cartel. I don't think there's really any, you know, drugs per se involved. Well, so this is a prostitution.
Sonny00:32:51Yeah, this this they never really clear what what exactly the Martina's Martina's brothers. If it's if it's a cartel or if it's just a human trafficking ring, I think it's you.
Vic00:33:01I think it's both kind of human trafficking. I actually checked to see if the screen the script was written by Frank Stallone because I was like, I think there's a lot of problems with this thing.
JVL00:33:12OK, this is this is what what bugged me as a movie is that when you get to the centerpiece of the movie, which is the. The Tunnel Showdown, I thought it was poorly executed.
Sonny00:33:23Did you again? I mean, I love the death scenes.
JVL00:33:26It's great. I'm there.
Sonny00:33:28But, you know, I could I mean, I think it is not I I'll put it this way. I don't think it's exceptionally well done. This is not a John Wick style action movie. It's but this is but it's also just like fine again. I like I have no I have no interest in defending this as a piece of cinema.
JVL00:33:46Victorino, what was your favorite method of death in the movie?
Vic00:33:49Oh, this is interesting. Well, what? There were a lot. First of all, the decapitations now there was death. That's right. Interesting. That's right. Right. Number three nails, you know, number two machete and number one, the hollow pole. So I said I haven't said the height. So he has a hole in the wall and he has to know when to shove the hollow metal pole through the wall. And I think it's based on when the shadow.
Sonny00:34:19As soon as there's a shadow, it's when the guy like looks through it.
Vic00:34:22I think. Yeah. And because go through his eye or something. I haven't seen an impaling of hollow pole since the movie Commando, I think, where where Arnold Schwarzenegger impales the enemy. Stick around. No, he says, let off some steam. Oh, yeah.
Sonny00:34:38Because it's like it's like a steep, steep, steep, steep, steep, steep go stick around. Stick around was a predator, a predator because he throws he throws the knife into the guy and he sticks them to the pole.
Vic00:34:50He had to split. That's right. I was 22.
Sonny00:34:53The guy was 22. Stick around. I stick around. I I remember he points at him. I remember I can't even I was watching it with somebody maybe like two or three years ago. And when that happened, I lost it. I just I laughed for like five minutes. So I don't know what I don't know what it was. I don't know what was going on in my life at that point, but it was that the combination of so good about the knife going in and the guy sticking there and then like the cut the back to Arnold Schwarzenegger and he's got the dumbest look on his face. He's like, stick around. I just lost it for a in commando in commando.
Vic00:35:27He's on the airplane. He's on an airline and he breaks the guy's neck and he puts the blanket and he tells the hat on him.
JVL00:35:34He put the hat on him. What is he?
Vic00:35:36He tells the he tells the steward as he says, don't bother my friend. He's dead tired, dead tired.
Sonny00:35:41So anyway, OK, I said that this movie doesn't like the hollow nearly nearly as clever as no.
Vic00:35:48Although charm, there was a lot of I did make a lot of noises and groans out loud because it was like, oh, that was interesting, you know, because but it was also yet even I'm going to say it's excessive. The guy you want to save your bullets. These two men, whoever fall into a pit, a lot of shit and then they're dead. They're dead. Don't you want them to suffer more? I don't understand that.
Sonny00:36:07OK, well, you don't want to. You got to make sure they're dead. You don't want them crawling out of that pit.
Vic00:36:11I mean, I guess after they were impaled, OK, so there was that I also had problems with this movie one, the guy, the Martinez brothers, the Martinez brothers who run which one of them is really in charge. What? No. My problem is if you're running a terrible sort of sex trafficking like this, you wanted
Sonny00:36:34more nudity. That's shouldn't the girls be naked? Why are it?
Vic00:36:38Why aren't they?
JVL00:36:39Why were all the young girls naked?
Vic00:36:40Well, I guess I'll just leave. Now, I guess I guess you don't need me.
JVL00:36:43Oh, I'm sorry.
Guest00:36:44I guess it was actually. No, no.
Vic00:36:46That's not what I was going to say. That's not what I was going to say. I was going to say something related, related to it. I just don't want this to come off the wrong way. All right. I know that one person already complained that somebody called me a perv on the on the Apple ratings. I don't want people to think this. But if you ran a ring lace, what did you want your women to look hot? And instead they're brutalizing them. So like there's a scene in the dark hall and they're all beat up and cut up. Well, how are you? What kind of a business is that?
Sonny00:37:12Well, I don't think I don't think I don't think I don't think they're serving the greatest clientele. I would, you know, I would like when Vic Mattis rolls into the the you know, I would I would
Vic00:37:24be like Guido, the killer pimp, Joe Pantoliano and Risky Business.
JVL00:37:28That's a business.
Vic00:37:29Did you guys see a profession? This is terrible.
Sonny00:37:31What happened? Did you guys see? Oh, what was the Joaquin Phoenix movie? You were never really here or whatever. The Lynne Ramsey movie. No, no, no. So there's actually a scene in that movie where Joaquin Phoenix is he's trying to track down a girl who has been kidnapped and forced. And he goes through he goes through the house killing all of the Johns and all of the people who and it it's an example of something that is very artfully done where like you the violence all takes place just out of frame like you watch it on a series of security cameras and you see a lot of the aftermath and you see very few actual killings, right? And this is like the exact literal opposite of that scene that there's a scene there's a scene like this in the new Rambo movie where he finds he where I don't know why he didn't do this this uh flop house whorehouse in the first place and just get the girl and leave would have made more sense would have made more sense I don't think he's that bright so it's but in this in this movie you just see him like stabbing everyone you know like a hammer just like hammering everybody I think it's actually a hammer in the Joaquin Phoenix movie too this is why it connected with me so like he just like starts smashing people in the face and in the head and in the balls my favorite scene um but it like but again it's like it's just like they show it it's just like here it is this is it my favorite
Vic00:38:47scene in the whole movie the hammer deaths were my favorite best but it's like but it's really dark um my jokes aside we couldn't see enough of the spatter uh and of course I was kidding about the thing but I mean really I these these guys sound like I mean they're terrible guys obviously for obvious reasons but I don't know really you just beat up these women that's terrible okay that's the first thing let's say cutting off the cheek what is that okay also my other problem isn't Rambo kind of inadvertently responsible for his niece's death because he just walks into the place? He walks into the first time when they beat they surround him and they beat him up and I'm waiting for him to fight back and he just takes it that's it he does not really think
Sonny00:39:25this through he does not he does not think through his effort to retrieve this uh this
JVL00:39:30this poor girl he caused her death I think I I would say I'm glad you opened the door to this but there is a scene where uh there was another girl who shows up who's yelling at the girls yes yes she's like the boss the other boss the other boss and she says you know if you've got a if you've got a to do 40 or 50 guys a night you just do it and as soon as I heard that I just started doing the math thinking to myself I'm sorry what sort of business do they have to be running they've got 30 girls down there 50 guys a girl times three that's they've got 2,000 people lined up outside around the block right to come in through the gate here to how really how in the world are these girls going to
Vic00:40:17have to do like none of this makes and what dudes want what dudes like oh you know how about how about the night 199th guy oh I can't wait to get in there you know that's great
JVL00:40:26as a criminal enterprise as a criminal this is all I'm saying this is all I'm saying is
Vic00:40:31a criminal enterprise it's not very don't you want to aspire to more I don't know like you know a professional service like that's you know the one for Elliot Spitzer why aren't
Sonny00:40:42they instead of running 20 girls at $10 a head why aren't they running one girl at
Vic00:40:47$200 a head and give them a piece so to speak okay I you had more you wanted to get into
JVL00:40:53the politics I have political thoughts about the Rambo series though because I actually think there is a reason for this to be a Rambo film okay so the Rambo movies have always been about America's view of its place in the world okay right so the first Rambo movie First Blood comes out in 1982 it is about reconciling the dirty end of the Vietnam War yes and the betrayal of soldiers by their leaders right
Vic00:41:20there's a real point to it
JVL00:41:22so 82 is Reagan has just been elected we're actually America is in recession in 82 right things are still Vietnam is I would say our our younger listeners may not understand this but in 1982 Vietnam was still very present in the American mind it was only five years five years old or eight in the past
Vic00:41:40**JVL [00:41:40]:** so Rambo the first Rambo which then First Blood Part 2 comes out in 85 and this is then about reclaiming victory in Vietnam so he goes back to
Sonny00:41:51Vietnam now and this time he wins and this is because though the leaders try
JVL00:41:55to betray him right and so this is America I forget that actor's name he's great though you know the bureaucrat America's view of itself is starting to change and then in Charles Napier Rambo 3 is 1988 when America is riding high at the end of the Reagan years the fall of communism is still out in the distance but all of a sudden America feels good about itself and what do we have we have him going to Afghanistan and righting Soviet ass right with a Mujahideen Mujahideen right
Sonny00:42:24dedicated to our brave friends in the original like dedication there is a lot a lot of liberals love making fun of this on Twitter so Rambo 2008 is sort of
JVL00:42:37a little bit of an outlier but I think you could read it as uneasiness with what has happened in a world where soft power is now being viewed as more important than is why you have these these NGO types who he has to go rescue and Last Blood 2019 is I just don't see any way to read it except as fear of immigration and with Mexico I mean it literally I sat there watching it all I could think of was the Trump line about you know they're not sending us their best they're sending these animals and these gangs and their murders and their rapists except except every Mexican in
Sonny00:43:09this movie is a murderer and a rapist well but the problem the problem when they literally invade the country yeah yeah no I I agree I I tend to I understand what you're saying the problem with this is that it's not really about immigration right like she leaves the country right she goes to Mexico and she's an American citizen it's not like they come they just take her it's not like they come to it's not like they come to Phoenix and grab her and take her correct like that would be more that would be more on the nose
JVL00:43:40that would be more on the nose but I'm literally when he so as Stallone is leaving Mexico with his captured daughter he oh my god Victorino I you need to go to confession I don't know what as he's leaving he he comes up to a piece of border fence in his truck and then just decides he's gonna run it right over messages of course if you want to stop people from coming from Mexico into America the fence isn't enough you need a wall no but that's this is my point with that other shot is that the wall doesn't work and but that is like because they got the tunnel the wall doesn't work which is why you need a moat with alligators and poisonous snakes in it well that wouldn't work
Sonny00:44:19either I mean how deep would that moat have to be very into the center of the
JVL00:44:22earth yeah okay uh anyway all of this is to say that I think Rambo this movie fits in with a certain set of just generalized fears about America's place in the world I mean I think you could I think the
Sonny00:44:36easy and obvious argument here is that it is like in that reactionary mode totally I like I think that that is basically arguable I I don't know I I don't think it quite works but I think it I think it's a
JVL00:44:52totally reasonable case you know the Rambo character also interests me in that I mean the Rambo movies were popular in their own way but Rambo became so the character the idea of the character so intertwined in American pop culture in a way that you know the the any of the Schwarzenegger characters were not even the Terminator was not like Rambo had a very political context because it was all
Vic00:45:15happening during the Reagan era yeah I remember pictures and political cartoons of Reagan depicted as Rambo remember with a Ronbo and they would sue they superpose his face Reagan's face on the body and of course it's you know and it was a classic Stallone thing in Rambo because he's got you know one hand holding I think an m60 or a bar the giant it's the giant m60 the thing that
JVL00:45:36rock and roll the rock and roll only he could use it too there was a little
Vic00:45:41little little little prop at the front there but this is like 180 pound machine gun and he's holding one like it's a pistol like like it's a little air gun okay so I will say overall I do give this movie an A+ people have been asking we could people are just thinking that this is all for you know s's and giggles and and I and like I'm a very generous sort of just oh everything is an A+ but it's not true and I wanted to explain to our listeners my criteria for it for my movie rating my please tell me the short there's three plain yeah yeah okay movie length number one this movie was like 90 minutes when you say 100 minutes 90 minutes I didn't I don't know if there was any tea you know stinger at
Sonny00:46:23the was or a stinger at the end well there is a montage during the credit did you guys sit through the montage oh I had to go to the bathroom it was it was it was only 90 minutes long I said it was the montage is hilarious because it's like it's like clips from every Rambo movie oh sure the heritage and it ends it ends with a lethal weapon at the it ends with a shot of like Rambo getting off the porch so at the end of the movie he's not dead he gets on the porch he gets on a horse and he rides off into the sunset literally literally
Vic00:46:52like at the end of the montage he's riding to Phoenix I was like I was like okay this is a Western now all right okay all right so there's that okay second violence a plus also for as I write here and we've already discussed this I like
Sonny00:47:10that we're breaking this down sabermetric style yes what is what is
Vic00:47:14your yes so movie length a plus violence a plus decapitation dismemberment and and ripping out and snapping of I think a collarbone well that was a clavicle yeah that was a clavicle I thought it was that was interesting also and in the end a what I wrote I wrote it down a reverse apocalypto so he is now inflicting on them what they did to others thousands of years ago the
JVL00:47:40can we talk about the very very end was that fitting also through the
Vic00:47:44Kevlar so he splits the Kevlar vest open which I thought was yeah I don't know I didn't know you could do that so he he Rambo literally he split metal
JVL00:47:53cuts open the chest and then sticks his knife in and cuts around all the arteries and then pulls out his still beating heart and shows it to him before the the very worst of the bad guys dies that's right the brother that was yeah
Vic00:48:09oh you know you know I think they must have cut out the scene where he then puts it in the guy's mouth I thought
Sonny00:48:14I thought Rambo was gonna take a bite out of it I thought he was gonna just
Vic00:48:17straight up like eat his heart yeah so that was very mine so all together a plus oh so that's a plus yeah oh and then finally the last criteria is plot a
Sonny00:48:26plus it was easy to understand but but the sex slaves weren't sexy
Vic00:48:30the fourth criteria it sometimes doesn't apply this is not that kind of optional this is not that kind of movie no but it was that kind of a movie and they chose not to so I don't for me that would have been wrong it would have been wrong for this kind of a movie hustlers I can see that being I that would be like a C for hustlers right because they didn't really show the one you saw you didn't really want to see but in this one a movie length violence and plot again very very easy to understand it wasn't great a lot of problems but at least I understood it it was not a rival which got an F for plot Sonny can we can we talk briefly about Sylvester Stallone's
JVL00:49:09face oh what happened I was thinking about this I mean
Sonny00:49:14is it do they enhance it he's a young guy he's had a lot of surgeries I'm sure
JVL00:49:18they just let it hang out there but there so there is a so he's 73 and if you're going to age in Hollywood and continue to act so there is this middle period when it pays to do work right because you don't want to look too old when all you are is like 55 but towards the end of the road when you are in your you are much better off looking like you are naturally in your 70s right looking like Clint Eastwood or Christopher Plummer or Michael Gambon or any of these great actors who can still carry me and he looks like the Madame Tussauds version
Sonny00:49:58of Sylvester Stallone you made a very you made a very telling comment there
JVL00:50:01great actors I Stallone is not a terrible you know what Victorino do you remember going to see Copland yeah did you and I see that everyone says Copland because that's the one no I don't just say Copland because that's the one he did that country western with Dolly Parton
Vic00:50:19he did the country western with Dolly Parton demolition man over the top arm wrestling it's totally different from
Sonny00:50:27he's an action star he's an action star he's not an actor he's very good in the Rocky movies he's very good in like one of the Rocky movies he's a great cliffhanger and you know what else
JVL00:50:39Copland he was really good in Copland exactly fair but every time they went to close up
Vic00:50:46it was unfortunate
JVL00:50:47can we do a middle distance shot we don't need to
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JVL00:52:38okay
Vic00:52:40I got Oscar Mayer to send us the hot dog ice cream remember that was a thing during the summer it was like ice cream that's flavored like a hot dog who would want to try it and they're like hot ice cream sandwiches and I thought it would be funny if they sent it to us and we could try it on the show in the summer, it's now October it arrived, it's fine, it's still ninety five degrees, let me tell you something, yeah it's funny that's the problem it arrived and uh... they forgot to pack the dry ice, oh no and so I peeled it off the styrofoam and I shoved it in the freezer and then the more I thought about it I said the chances of getting listeria from the bad ice cream is not worth the show so even though it's refrozen the listeria could still be there I'm sorry, anyway don't blame us, blame Oscar Mayer
Sonny00:53:29thanks for sending us the thing Oscar Mayer, you idiot
Vic00:53:33speaking of which did I miss last week uh... did you do the not a correction about the guy
JVL00:53:38did you talk about that? yeah we did, we talked about that at the end I'm looking right now at ShotGunGolfer uh... who's the person who ShotGunGolfer is the person who left that review oh and with everybody else they have a like number of number people said this was helpful and with his review they did not but he seems to have uh... been so oh no somebody else left us a three star review for something pretty average run-of-the-mill opinions Oh come on! Listen to this episode. JVL likes to mansplain Oh for goodness sakes. Vic likes to pretend to be a Nazi pervert
Vic00:54:21You're making that up. You're making that up. Sonny thinks the film critic is a worthy profession
JVL00:54:25Oh my gosh. No I don't. Again. However there is a review above that please give me something good. The title of which is Shotgun Golfer to Gitmo
Vic00:54:36oh okay thank you on that note then that's all the time we're gonna give to this episode questions comments complaints compliments tweet us at Sonny Bunch at Victorino Matus again be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes Google Play or Stitcher just type in Sub-Beacon at a podcast we're there leave a review maybe a nice one tell your friends until next time
JVL00:55:07here's another review oh here we go the title of which is F off shotgun golfer shotgun golfer should find a better use for his shotgun the Sub-Beacon is the gold standard and people talking about things you don't like it you're not a real person if you don't think it's great I want you in prison because you're already in a prison of your dumb mind anyway thank you very much John hammock thank you John John hammock is the best all right
Sonny00:55:35yeah I'm sure it's fine
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