#43. Ford v Ferrari, High Octane Coffee, and Diet Tips
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Ford v Ferrari wins the box office with $31 million and, unusually, wins over all three hosts. Sonny calls it old-school crowd-pleasing studio filmmaking — expertly shot by James Mangold, with coherent action, an A-plus CinemaScore, and "destined to be a basic cable classic" you catch fifteen minutes of on TNT forever — praising Christian Bale for "the most gif-able performance of the year" and singling out a surprisingly Don Draper-esque Jon Bernthal as Lee Iacocca, while docking it maybe fifteen minutes of runtime and admitting he lost track of the race chronology. Vic goes furthest, awarding an A-plus-plus despite two hours and 34 minutes (JVL: how can any 152-minute movie earn that?), crediting his own Aston Martin and Le Mans reporting for making the plot easy to follow, loving the Italian-language Ferrari scenes and the beautiful period cars he watched with his son and father-in-law, and appreciating a movie with no political message beating you over the head. JVL is the mild holdout: he saw it in IMAX expecting racing scenes on the level of the Ronan car chase and found they never grabbed him by the lapels, though he raves about the magic-hour runway scene, the chalkboard-at-Daytona shot that finally conveys speed, and the Miles-Shelby fistfight with its "I'll take a soda pop" coda; he also insists Josh Lucas plays Leo Beebe as gay and that Tracy Letts's Henry Ford II needed a John Goodman-style force of nature, plus he ranks Mangold with The Wolverine over Logan, above Knight and Day and 3:10 to Yuma. Before that, JVL returns from Notre Dame a full-blown convert ("Catholic Disney World") and brings the "black blood of the earth," a physicist's 40x-caffeine cold brew doled out in children's medicine cups, leaving Vic — on blood pressure medication — twitching all episode. Sonny reports losing 60 pounds on plain Cheerios, tuna, eggs and gym visits, Vic recounts falling for the Peloton instructor without pedaling, and Sonny torches Charlie's Angels and Elizabeth Banks's excuses for its $8.35 million flop.
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#cdata-section -------------- In this latest episode, sponsored by Ethos and DoorDash, we discuss the racing movie Ford v Ferrari . JVL bri...
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Guest00:00:00I will put you in the driver's seat at Le Mans and just shut your mouth and let me do my thing.
Vic00:00:22Hello and welcome to another edition of the Sub-Beacon sponsored by Ethos Life Insurance and DoorDash. I'm Victor Matus along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. Just a reminder, the Sub-Beacon is available on iTunes, Google Play and Stitcher. Look at our podcast and search for Sub-Beacon. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends and leave a review. Gentlemen, how are we? JVL, welcome back. It's like where in the world is JVL? You were all over the place. I was all over the place. I was I was confused. I sort of thought all of a sudden
Sonny00:00:53we get a text message. It's like I'm I'm snowed in in. In Notre Dame. I was like, and I wasn't actually sure if it was Notre Dame or Notre Dame.
JVL00:01:02It was amazing. I love that place so much. So I'm moving to Notre Dame, by the way. South South Bend. Yeah, that's right. They got a mayor. They got a mayor there. It was it's so great. Why didn't we go to college there? Why did you go to Georgetown? Oh, you know what? I'll tell
Vic00:01:17you why. Because I didn't see the movie Rudy until after the place is amazing. Anyway, I loved it
JVL00:01:23after I saw Rudy. Met lots of great Sub-Beacon fans, including. Quick shout out to my homeboy Orlando, who is a freshman in high school, super cool kid on the varsity team for the varsity soccer team as a freshman. So he's like a jock, too. And just like all of us, just like all of us and a great guy. And anyway, so someone's like, let me get a picture of you two. And as we as I put my arm around him, I said to him, what I said to him, it's getting weird. I said to him, no gang sense. I'm kidding. Throw him up. And he didn't he didn't get it at all. He didn't get it at all.
Sonny00:01:57Because he was four years old when Iron Man, when Iron Man came out. So it's a speaking or
Vic00:02:01you were just there as a supportive spouse.
JVL00:02:04I was at Notre Dame as supportive spouse, also just a room springing to see what see what it's all about out there. And and then I went to UNC and had to give a talk at UNC Chapel Hill. So so you flew from place to place all over the place. Yes, I wasn't supposed to. This is why we were going to be able to do a show. But I was snowed in in South Bend where it was snowing for two straight days. I don't want to talk about it. Did you like UNC versus Notre Dame? Literally. Literally after going to Notre Dame, nothing. I have I have never once in my life been wistful for my youth.
Vic00:02:33Is it because of like you looking at it through the with the river and the dome or it was at the grotto or it was just a whole thing?
Sonny00:02:38It was snow covered, snow covered.
JVL00:02:40It was because it's like super holy. It's Catholic Disney World.
Vic00:02:44Touchdown, Jesus.
JVL00:02:45It's Catholic Disney World. It's all it's all of these like smart Catholic people just in their own little ghetto hanging out and like thinking deep thoughts together and then going to confession. Well, you know, it's amazing. I mean, like every Catholic in America should go there. This should be our BYU.
Vic00:02:58My gosh, aren't they weak? Aren't they soft on things? Aren't they like compared to Georgetown? No, I mean, compared to your Dallas, compared to your squishes, compared to Dallas, they're like controversies, disinviting people and stuff like that. And the whole deal, you know, I'm not going to get you're not going to get I'm not going to
JVL00:03:14say I'm not going to hold it because because I am now I am now a domer. You're full. Wow. Full on. I'm putting together my project proposal to move out there. I don't want to get all of this is unimportant. It's time to bring back.
Vic00:03:27Spear of the week at at nine or four.
JVL00:03:30I have brought in. The black blood of the earth.
Vic00:03:37OK, I think we were supposed to keep the sound effect, you know, and we didn't have it.
Sonny00:03:41Frankly, that would have been better in a Daniel Plainview voice. Can you can we get another one of that? I can't do blind with Daniel Daniel Day-Lewis.
JVL00:03:48Can you do a Daniel Day-Lewis? I can't do that. I don't know if I don't know if I could do it. I mean, from there will be blood. Yeah, from the black blood of the earth might. Now, that's. It's not Johnny Ivey. Terrible. Hold on. Hold on. I got it.
Sonny00:04:01The black blood of the earth.
Vic00:04:02No, no, no.
Sonny00:04:04And that was. Gentlemen, I come to you from around the country. I bring the black blood of the earth. Is that is that it?
Vic00:04:12You know, we're good. A few like if it was a little bit lower, but I got the cadence that you can't go lower.
Sonny00:04:17I don't know if I can go any lower than that. If I had if I had 10 minutes to workshop this off air, I could probably get a black blood. Richard Nixon.
Vic00:04:26Sorry.
JVL00:04:27Okay.
Vic00:04:27Very good. Oh, thank you. Okay. This is just going on. This show is not going off the rails at all.
JVL00:04:32We should do a whole show doing accents. Just wait. Because this is ice coffee. Everybody likes ice coffee. Oh, you fooled me.
Vic00:04:41Ice coffee is great. I thought it was 44 degrees outside. I thought it was like Jägermeister. It was so black.
JVL00:04:46This is ice coffee created by a gentleman named Phil Broughton, who is a physicist who did a stretch at McMurdo Station, which is the Antarctic. South Pole base for the U.S. It is now at UC Berkeley in Livermore Labs. And he discovered a few years ago that he was a diabetic. And he really liked full-on Dunkin' Donuts-style coffee loaded with sugar and cream. And he hated black coffee, but he had to get rid of sugar. So he didn't like black coffee because it was too acidic. He didn't like that stuff because normal people don't like those artificial sweeteners. What are you talking about? They're great. So he created his own vacuum extraction process to reduce the acidity of coffee to essentially zero. And then there was a side effect to it, though. That the caffeine content jumped up to 40x. That's 4-0. 40 times the normal caffeine levels of cold brew coffee. Resulting in this. The black blood of the earth.
Sonny00:05:53See, that voice, again, it's, it's like something out of a horror film. It's what I would expect in like a Nick Cage movie.
JVL00:05:59You are instructed to drink this in 10 milliliter. Hence, I brought us the kiddie medicine cups. You brought it.
Sonny00:06:10I was wondering why we had children's Tylenol cups here.
JVL00:06:13In 10 milliliter doses. And they say probably not more than 50 milliliters per day.
Vic00:06:22And certainly no more than 100 milliliters per day. Dude. You know I have a heart condition and I'm on blood pressure medication. Should I not drink that? We're just going to see what happens. Are you sure that this is?
Sonny00:06:31How does this compare to like an espresso shot?
Vic00:06:34Okay. So, right. Is it more? So, it's more than.
Sonny00:06:38JVL is pouring right now.
Vic00:06:40You know, high alcohol content is one thing. But caffeine is much more dangerous.
Sonny00:06:43What if we did a whole accent show? I'm going to bring us back to two minutes ago. You and me. You and me. I'll tell you what.
Vic00:06:50I've been watching The Crown. Season 2. Oh, God. I take it back. I take it back. We don't want to do.
Sonny00:06:56There was a funny story in The Washington Post. It was like talking about how Wikipedia entries for royal, for British royals in the 20th century skyrocket. Oh, yeah. Like the page views. I want to know about it. They skyrocket every time The Crown starts again. Yes. Because everybody, nobody actually knows anything about them. So, they're like, oh, is that guy really a spy? I need to know. I've only watched the first two episodes.
Vic00:07:21Yeah. Okay. I've only watched the first episode and I'm just pulling out sort of my knowledge and completely wrong. I'm like, oh, nope. That's Kim Philby. That's going to be the spy. They're going to break it out. The Cambridge Five or whatever. I'm sure that's what they're going to talk about.
Sonny00:07:32But didn't that already happen on the show?
Vic00:07:33As it turns out. Yeah. Okay.
JVL00:07:36Now, JVL is distributing.
Sonny00:07:38This looks like medicine and I'm scared. I'm really, really scared. JVL is distributing the medicine.
JVL00:07:44Hold on.
Vic00:07:46All right. So, we have this. So, this is 10 milliliters? Where did you get these from? You stole them from all the various dime-a-taps in your house and you just collected them in the cabinet.
JVL00:07:55Like me. You must have 80 of these.
Sonny00:07:58I'm still at the age where they're taking them out of syringes. So, I have like 50 five-milliliter syringes laying around the house.
Vic00:08:08And after, when you can't find it, just go right to the bottle. Okay. Gentlemen. Who did this to your health? Raising it to, what's his name, your friend? He's not my friend. He's just a guy on the internet who I purchased this from. Oh, you just happened to find this. I thought this was a gift. Me too. I thought this was a gift.
Sonny00:08:22I thought your young friend, Oscar, was the one giving it to us. Orlando. Orlando. I'm sorry.
JVL00:08:27You watch your whore mouth.
Sonny00:08:29See, he won't get that either.
JVL00:08:32It's delicious, isn't it? Sweet, velvety. That's some nice coffee. Would you like a whole cup?
Vic00:08:41Sonny, what do you think?
Sonny00:08:43I mean, it's fine, I guess. Can you drink it hot? It's not actually cold. The problem with this is that it's not actually cold enough right now. You haven't been refrigerating it. You've just been...
JVL00:08:53Well, I had to refrigerate it, but I got to Ron's. It was in three hours ago, so... It needs to be in the freezer.
Sonny00:08:59You've got to freeze that.
JVL00:09:00I'm sorry.
Sonny00:09:01No, it's fine, I guess. Well, thank you for sharing. So here's my question. How does this compare to, like, an espresso shot? I was trying to get this out of you before.
Vic00:09:08I feel like I'm awake now.
JVL00:09:09This, what you probably had, is probably... Well, just imagine pouring 40 of those cups into a container and how much coffee would be in it or how much espresso would be in it. So this is probably the equivalent of, like, four espresso shots.
Vic00:09:24Ah! We mean what we had?
JVL00:09:27Yeah. So I just want... We should now continue with the show, and I'm going to check your temperature about 15 minutes from now and see, because the reaction I have from this stuff is after about 15 minutes, my heart is going like a butterfly.
Vic00:09:41Mine is already like that. So what is going to... We're going to have a... This is going to be a terrible ending to this show. Are you wearing your MediAlert bracelet? Yes. I'm not going to make it to our second sponsor. You'll have to read that one.
Sonny00:09:52It's going to be like that scene in Family Guy where they all drink the Ipecac. It's just... I'm going to have to.
JVL00:09:57The black blood of the earth. Anybody who wants to get their own supply of black blood of the earth can just DM me on Twitter. Sorry. Just email me. This guy also sells these things he calls the steins of science, and it is a beer stein that can keep beer cold. Like a koozie.
Vic00:10:15Like a koozie.
JVL00:10:16Well, I mean, they're like $375 because they're made of the same technology they use to keep liquid nitrogen from boiling off.
Sonny00:10:25So it's like... It's a space stein.
JVL00:10:26It's basically a space stein, and it will keep beer frosty cold for like 10 hours.
Vic00:10:33A question. Are there any other... Also, they're giant. Oh, wow. Okay. Are there any other side effects to black blood of the earth besides the pounding heart? Well, I mean... There may be. Really? Okay, good, because I got a bucket here. I can just use it then. Just go down to the 25th floor, please. Our next sponsor. Okay. Sonny. How are you, Sonny? What's going on? I'm good. You need to write a book about your diet, because it's like a miracle. I don't know what the secret is.
Sonny00:11:03I'm down about 60 pounds now. 60? Down about 60 pounds now.
JVL00:11:07But so fast. 60 pounds in like five months?
Sonny00:11:10Like probably closer to seven. I started half-assedly doing this in April.
JVL00:11:16What are you doing this? Explain what doing this is. Because this is not just like, hey, I eat a salad.
Sonny00:11:22Right. Because that's not what it would be. Are you Whole30-ing? Here, let me tell you. Let me tell you my average. This is, so it's literally just diet and exercise. That's all it is. Like, I'm dead serious. You need to elaborate. Let me tell you what I eat in an average day. In an average day, I wake up, I have a bowl of Cheerios with a banana in it. Okay? Bowl of Cheerios, banana, skim milk. All right? Second thing at lunch, it depends. Sometimes I will have a pair of tuna fish sandwiches. On white or wheat? Well, there's this. So one of the, one of the things again that I've found is that there's like a low calorie bread that tastes just as good as regular bread. It's made by Schmitz. It is like half as many calories. It is, and half as many carbs. It's great. Alternately, I will just have eggs. Eggs are great. I'll have like four eggs and an apple or something like that. Four eggs and a pear.
Vic00:12:14Eggs like boiled or fried? Fried. Raw. Just fried. With the shells. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sonny00:12:21I just throw them in a blender and mix it up. And then, and then something sensible at dinner like a chicken dish or a salmon dish. Baked skinless? No, I mean like literally just, just, you know, I don't, I got, I like stopped eating. We used to have like pasta three times a week. I don't really eat pasta anymore. We used to have like rice all the time. Don't really do that anymore. So it's just, it's more vegetables and lean meat. That's it. And then for a while I was going to the gym four or five times a week and now I'm down to like once or twice a week. Are you totally shredded too or anything? No. Lift your shirt up, let me see. No, I don't have like a six pack or anything. It's definitely, it's definitely like, I'm definitely fat man thin. Skinny fat. Skinny fat, yeah. Skinny fat. There's definitely some of that, but like I will say that like, again, going to the gym like four or five times a week, even though I was just doing, you know, like elliptical and the exercise bike and stuff, helped with, with, you know, conditioning. I feel, I'm not like breathless walking up the stairs. And stuff, so. I don't sweat when I eat. I don't, I don't, I don't lay there in bed and think about how I'm going to die. So, when my heart gives out after I have the 10 milliliters of super caffeinated coffee. No, but I mean, literally, so it's literally just a diet and exercise. I stopped working here at the Free Beacon, so I'm not eating snacks all day long. Or you're not, you're not going to, I'm like not, I'm going to the restaurant. I'm not, I'm not. Every day, you're not going downstairs to Svalina. Svalina or whatever. No, I don't, I don't, this is the thing, right? I go to the office and then go out to even chopped, right, for lunch. Like chopped, super healthy, good salads, except it's, there's like tons of dressing and cheese. So what I,
Vic00:14:05what I do is I, I'm the intermittent fast, so I don't have any breakfast. And then oftentimes, I'll have to meet somebody, you know, downstairs, go to the restaurant, then I'll have a lasagna, a Caesar salad, and maybe, some tiramisu, tiramisu, a glass of wine, and an Americana, an Americano, and, and so I'm not losing as much weight. I don't know. I don't know what to, I don't know what to tell you. But my problem is, of course, as I mentioned to Jonathan you this from before, is I, I aggravated my hip flexor. I mean, not that I actually went to a doctor for this. I used to use the internet because you don't need doctors anymore.
JVL00:14:40Was it while you were changing the head gaskets on their car?
Vic00:14:43that's exactly what happened. That's exactly, so you know, I mean, I love running, but maybe I'm not stretching enough. And so that, I cannot, it hurts. It used to hurt lifting the, the knee to the chest. So that's the sign. And so I was trying to look for other alternatives and elliptical. I don't like that at all because you just don't burn as much. Running, you burn so much, like 600 calories. So I'm running four and a half miles at 600 plus calories in, I don't know what it is, like averaging 920 a mile. But elliptical is terrible. It's like twice the time and you're not nearly shedding it. So then, in our gym downstairs, they have Peloton. Peloton. Peloton. Peloton. So, it doesn't, it doesn't cost me. The lemon. And so I signed up and I tried the Peloton. I don't know if any of you have tried this. I can see why there's a cult behind Peloton because of the interactive nature of it where they talk to you, where they talk to you. Okay, now here's the thing. This is his com.
Sonny00:15:40This is his com.com.
Vic00:15:42I wish, I wish they were a sponsor. One of those. I wish, I wish there was a sponsor. I would love to. I'm not even, oh, wait a minute. I forgot. I forgot there's even biking involved. I just sit there. I just sit there and look at the instructor.
Sonny00:15:59This is why, this is why.
Vic00:16:00Why do I just sit there? Are you telling me I'm supposed to be biking?
Sonny00:16:03This is why the young female interns no longer go to the gym, by the way, in our office.
JVL00:16:07She says, your heart rate is way up. You must be doing great. Are you really pumping? I'm not even pumping.
Sonny00:16:12I'm pumping something.
JVL00:16:13I'm pumping.
Sonny00:16:15Did you, JVL, did you read the piece on Peloton in New York Magazine? Oh, boy. There was, it's a piece that would be, I think, of interest to you. You should read it after the show, but it was basically, it was basically about Peloton as a business and how it is like,
JVL00:16:29It's the we work of exercise.
Sonny00:16:31Yes, except like, the, the, the, I mean, the thing that they were saying in this piece is that it is, it is, of course, infinitely replicable. It is just an exercise bike with like a streaming video service, but because Peloton has like this cult around it, this cult of personality that it is actually offering something to people that might not be replicable elsewhere. I don't know. It was interesting. Well, I mean, which is again, literally what we work said.
JVL00:16:54Yeah, sure. I know there are lots of people rent co-op,
Sonny00:16:57but we have Adam Newman. Sure, sure. I mean, I agree that it is, it is like all of these
Vic00:17:02instructors like, ooh, right. She's good. I'll, I'll, I'll work out to her with her for 34 to 45 minutes. And, and here's the other thing
JVL00:17:12I get to her for a good five minutes.
Vic00:17:13Yeah. No, and I get the five minute workout. It's great. And, and, and so I can see like there's certain person who certain personalities, certain personalities that are like, you prefer over others. And then, and if you do a live event, I can see how this is like the allure because if you do a live event, she'll look on the side and give a shout out to people like, please say my name, please. I hope she calls my name. Love me, Peloton instructor. This is,
Sonny00:17:39this is what I'm talking about. It is like, it's like a legit call. Yeah.
Vic00:17:42It's like, oh, if she, if I get the shout out. Peloton is,
JVL00:17:43is basically cam girls. If I swipe my credit card, the one that's on the side,
Vic00:17:49except it's free. Okay. Okay. Downside, downside, that bike seat is, this is true, is very, very hard. It's a hard rubber.
Sonny00:17:58So I want you to like stand up on it, right? They do.
Vic00:18:00You do intervals. You do intervals. There's sometimes where you're standing, but there's other times. Go ahead.
Sonny00:18:04So I tried, I actually tried to use that, that bike down there, the Peloton bike. And I had no idea that a, it was like connected to, I like, I hadn't, I just thought it was like a regular exercise bike. I thought, I thought it was just a regular exercise bike. So I just like sat on it. And I was like, I was like trying to adjust the seat. And I was like, the lazy person's regular other one. Yes. No, I,
JVL00:18:26hold on. Yeah. Hold on. Let me see.
Vic00:18:31There's some guns there. So the Peloton works your arms out to forearm. The forearm does the forearm and the, the right,
Sonny00:18:37the right arm as much. The problem is no stronger. The honestly,
Vic00:18:42the left arm people are just gross. The, the problem is it feels like it's the best show opening ever. You know why? It's the caffeine. It's the caffeine. It's telling me that, you know, when you start off the Peloton, it feels like you're getting pounded in the rear. It's a problem. That's the problem. It's so, so it's like, oh my gosh, this thing is so painful. But then after a few times, you're like, ah, it's not so bad. And then after a few times, like, oh, I got to get on that Peloton. It's pretty good. You know, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But speaking about getting rear-ended over the weekend, Ford versus Ferrari raced to the top of the bar. Thank you. You like that one? Sonny is nonplanned. I can never get him to get, I can't get a rise. I can't get a rise. I'm smiling. I'm smiling. Ford versus Ferrari raced to the top of the box office with $31 million, followed by Midway with 8.7. I think these might've been adjusted. No, you're doing,
Sonny00:19:39you're doing again the thing on Monday. Because that's when I put it. I did. And you know what? I did 8.5 million.
Vic00:19:45Okay. Thank you. You know what?
Sonny00:19:46I don't Charlie's Angels did 8.35 million. Thank you.
Vic00:19:48You know what? I don't. And in third place was Charlie's Angels. They did 8.35 million. You know what? They don't show anymore either on that page is budget.
Sonny00:20:00Oh, no, they don't do that annoying. Well, that's because they've just ruined box office mojo. They've ruined. We got it.
?00:20:06We got it.
Sonny00:20:06We have to, we have to make a full on switch to the numbers. We have to in, in, in the year of our Lord, 2020, that's my resolution is I will no longer visit box office mojo has just taken things like
JVL00:20:16budget and put it in a more useful place on the site that you just have to ask the help question. Where to go?
Sonny00:20:23The help questions that I honestly, they, they, they, I don't, I, I, I have said this before and I, I have a hard time getting worked up about things like Syria or Rwanda or whatever, but this box office mojo thing is just a,
JVL00:20:36is just a box office mojo have a Twitter handle.
Sonny00:20:40I'm sure they do.
JVL00:20:41Have they been just subject to tremendous amounts of abuse?
Sonny00:20:44I would actually like to see what their internal analytics look like. I would, I would be very, very curious to see what the, the, the numbers look like in terms of site visits, and duration of visit down by at least 50%.
JVL00:20:55Right. I would, I mean, I would think so.
Sonny00:20:57I, I like, I literally, this is the first time I've gone there in a week and I cannot remember the last time I went a week without going to box office mojo. Again, just because I would like, I would just go there and look around because I'm a dork and I like, can't use it anymore. It's, it's useless to me. Useless. Um,
Vic00:21:12box office thoughts. What happened with Charlie's angels? Because maybe it's our fault because we didn't go see it.
Sonny00:21:19I'll tell you what happened with Charlie's angels. Uh, people can't handle strong women at the box office. They can't, they cannot handle the idea of women in an action movie. There have never, there's never been a successful woman led action movie. There's never been a successful woman directed action movie. There's never been a successful woman starring action movie. And, you know, uh, it's really a sad commentary on the state of society that we, we can't have these great, uh, women led action movies. Right, JVO? Yeah.
JVL00:21:55Elizabeth Banks is a bad director. Elizabeth Banks is a bad director. She's a bad person too.
Sonny00:22:00I like, I feel, no, I just, I don't know anything about her personal life, whatever. Uh, but I, I feel comfortable saying that watching the, the rollout of this film where she's blaming everything on everyone except herself. Uh, she's the writer, producer, director, and co-star of this movie. Um, and it is a huge turd and it is, I, like, I haven't actually gone to see it because why would I, because I hate women. Obviously I hate women. I don't like women or their action movies. Um, but the, the, uh, the, from what I was hearing from people who did see it in the theaters that it opens with this montage of like girls doing girl power things and showing how awesome they are at being, you know, strong independent women. And one of the, one of the people who was watching it was like, yeah, I assumed that this was like a montage of them growing up and then they would like go and join, join and be the spy agency. But no, it's just random women on the screen doing random women things.
Vic00:22:58Accept it. Watch it. And then,
Sonny00:22:59and then that's like, that's the message of the movie is like, look at, look at the strong ladies. We are so strong. And, and it's just, it sounds terrible from start to finish. Uh,
Vic00:23:09it sounds like a little bit of a subtext of political messaging. Very subtle. Yeah. Sort of.
Sonny00:23:14Yeah. And, and again, her, her complaining, Elizabeth Banks going out and complaining to anyone who listened that like, Oh, we don't support women led action movies is, is like, it is one of my biggest pet peeves. It's one of my biggest. Wasn't her,
Vic00:23:26wasn't her a way out of that was, Oh, she, she was like, Oh, she said,
Sonny00:23:30she said, no, no. Well, she said that Wonder Woman and that's right. Uh, Captain Marvel are male led genres. You know, those are, those are male genres. So like, but, but this is,
JVL00:23:42this is a, this is a sexy action spy movie.
Sonny00:23:45Wait, you're telling me those aren't male led dramas, uh, male led genres, male led, you know, franchises. I like, everything, everything about this was poorly conceived from the, from the like lean in corporate feminism to the, uh, to the, the decision to reboot a reboot of a tired IP, um, with no real conception. I don't know why anybody asked for it. I can't imagine if there was some demand, if there was a focus of saying,
Vic00:24:13I want to see another Charles Angels because the one with Drew Barrymore and Cameron Diaz and Lisa Liu, I didn't like it.
Sonny00:24:18That was a great one.
Vic00:24:19Yeah. The first one.
Sonny00:24:20So I don't know.
?00:24:21I,
Sonny00:24:21you know, you know why,
JVL00:24:22because that one's directed by McG. And he's a great director. there was,
Sonny00:24:27there was, there was a very, God, I wish I, I wish I could find, I think it was a deadline piece about like what, what went wrong with Charlie's Angels? Why did it die at the box office? And there was a line in that piece that read something like, um, God, I want to say it was like, you know, you miss, you miss the like steady competence of a guy like McG while watching the new, it's like it was, it was the easiest way, the nicest way anyone could say that Elizabeth Banks is a hack director who doesn't know what she's doing.
JVL00:24:59You know, so she was a very promising actress. Totally. Loved her. I loved her. Something, I think it's like when she decided she wanted to do comedy.
Sonny00:25:09Well, but she was always doing comedy. She was a little funny,
JVL00:25:13but I just, she's not a comedy first actress. She's, she's not quite as good at comedy as somebody who's really good is. There's always something a little off about, about it. And then like all the actors, what she really wants to do is direct. Yeah. Can we, can we take a brief moment? I texted you guys a picture and I'm, I'm a little disappointed that neither of you responded to me. So I'm watching the trailer for dark waters. No, the Mark Ruffalo anti Dow or is it DuPont DuPont anti DuPont.
Vic00:25:43I thought this had to do with like being like stranded in the ocean, different waters. Okay. That's deep waters.
Sonny00:25:50Underwater. Underwater is the, 57 meters down. I think. Oh yes.
Vic00:25:54That's the one.
JVL00:25:55Okay. So you, you know how there is often a, from the director of, yes. From the studio that brought you.
Vic00:26:02Yes. From the producer of, the creator of.
JVL00:26:04This is something in the middle, in the middle of the trailer. It's not even at the end. One of the, I've never seen anything like this from a participant who brought you Academy Award winner spotlight from a participant. He threw in $50,000.
Sonny00:26:22Is that just Mark Ruffalo? I don't think so. Because Mark Ruffalo was in spotlight. Yeah.
Vic00:26:27They would say they would, there was, there would be a better way to explain that. Wait,
Sonny00:26:31can you, can you read me the literal, just read me the text again from participant who brought you. See, I think, I think participant might be the studio. There's a studio called participant.
JVL00:26:43Shouldn't they say just totally from the studio? Yes. I'm so confusing.
Sonny00:26:50Spotlight, right? Hold on. Yes. So spotlight was a participant movie. That's terrible. It's a movie. It's so I understand. I understand your confusion. It's a, what it, what, what they really needed was a copy editor. It should have been from participant comma,
JVL00:27:05the studio or, or again, because nobody knows what studio this is. They could have just said from the studio,
Sonny00:27:12from the studio.
JVL00:27:14Yeah. Right. Well,
Sonny00:27:14I'm sure they wanted to get participant in there because I'm sure participant has some piece of this participant is like participant is like everybody knows who we are. We're participant.
Vic00:27:25You ever see the one MRC and you keep on thinking, oh my gosh, there's a movie from the media research. I do.
Sonny00:27:29I do. I see that all the time. Brent Bozell. I see that. Oh my gosh.
Vic00:27:33I went to the wrong studio.
Sonny00:27:34I see that all the time. And I'm like, wait a sec. No. All right. They're all good. They're all good. Yes. So no,
Vic00:27:39no,
Sonny00:27:39I, I, I, I had meant to respond to your text message with this because I, I, I think I understood what was going on there. But it is, it's just really terribly copy edited is the problem.
Vic00:27:50Sonny. So we're not,
Sonny00:27:51if they had a firefighter like us on board to say, well, you need a, you need a comma there. That's what we do.
Vic00:27:58Did feel that. I can feel that caffeine kicking in. I know. So we're not talking about Charlie's angels. Alas. So we're talking about the winner of the box office.
Sonny00:28:07And we're not talking about yet.
Vic00:28:09Midway yet.
Sonny00:28:11Supposedly we're going to talk about Midway and Jojo rabbit next week. We'll see about that.
JVL00:28:14People, people, I want you to listen to me. People. Next week is Thanksgiving. You all have long drives and long fright, long flight, so we are bringing to you. What's going to be probably a two hour episode where Vic Mattis talks about Midway and Jojo rabbit Akagi Gaga. It's going to be amazing.
Vic00:28:34I want, I don't know why I did it in that voice, by the way. Uh, Sonny, uh, you want to talk, let's talk about Ford versus Ferrari, Ford V Ferrari.
Sonny00:28:42Gentlemen, you'll believe me if I say I'm a Japanese sailor. No, that's not wrong. No. Okay. Go for it. Uh, Ford V Ferrari. Is a old school Hollywood crowd pleasing, big budget, uh, buddy adventure movie. Kind of. I mean, not quite a buddy adventure movie, but very close. Uh, it is about the efforts of, uh, the Ford motor company to defeat the Ferrari sports car empire at the 24 hours of Le Mans. Uh, the, the kind of in, I don't know. The inciting incident of this movie is the, the chairman of Ferrari insulting Henry Ford via Lee Iacocca, uh, who is played with dashing charm in this movie by John Bernthal. Uh, the DC suburbs owned that John Bernthal, I think. I think he's from around here. He is great. I think he, he is great. I want to, I want to talk about him and his portrayal of Lee Iacocca in a second. Um, but, uh, anyway, so to do this, they reach out to Carol Shelby, who is a legendary car designer, uh, played by Matt Damon here. and Matt Damon slash Carol Shelby reaches out to, uh, uh, what's his name? Ken Miles, Ken Miles, uh, a crotchety race car driver who is, uh, who is on his, on his last financial legs and decides to go to work with the Ford motor company, despite his misgivings about their, uh, their ability to break the mold and do something truly original and outrageous. Uh, it, look, this movie is, is again, it is like kind of classic Hollywood studio, big budget filmmaking. It's got some great action scenes, uh, with the car races, just, just guys going around the track and, you know, uh, trying to figure out how to make their, their cars go fast. Uh, and it has two really high, uh, high wattage charisma stars in Christian Bale and Matt Damon. Uh, I, I, I, I going to steal a line from somebody that, uh, Christian Bale gives the most gif-able performance of the year. His face is like rubber. It just like, it looks, he, he like kind of contorts it, uh, uh, in all sorts of crazy ways to, to really convey the, the, uh, you know, the, the, the nuttiness of this guy he's playing. Um, and Carroll Shelby, uh, you know, Matt Damon's Carroll Shelby is really, is, is like, again, almost understated, certainly compared to Christian Bale, but like very, very good, very, very charismatic, very, uh, winning. Um, you know, my, my big, my big complaint about this movie is that it is probably 15 minutes too long. It's, it's a little bit longer than it needs to be. I had some, I, I wasn't entirely sure I understood the timing of all of these races. Um, like I, there's, there's the, there's the, I, I guess there was one 24 hours of Le Mans before. That's right. They lost the first race. So, so right. So it was like, I, I, I was having a little bit of trouble following the chronology, but maybe that's just me being a bad viewer, um, and not really paying attention. Um, but I thought the whole thing was very good. It's, it's like, it is very expert. It is like expertly shot by James Mangold. Everything is, it's framed perfectly. All of the action scenes are coherent and entertaining. Um, it's funny. It's, uh, it is, you know, filled with drama. And like I said, the, I, I, the, the most entertaining performance of the whole thing might have been John Bernthal as Lee Iacocca, who, um, I, I have to say, I was not expecting a, like, kind of Don Draper-esque, um, you know, visionary, sexy, smoky Lee Iacocca in this, this movie. Uh, and I, I, I, uh,
Vic00:32:22it's hard for him to conceal that, you know, he's a big guy. Yeah, I mean, he's like, I don't know if Iacocca was actually that big when he was young.
Sonny00:32:29He's, it just is, it, it was an interesting and kind of surprising movie. Um, it is destined to be a basic cable classic. This is the sort of movie that you're going to catch like 15 minutes of on TNT for the rest of your life. Um, yeah, I, I really enjoyed it. I, I don't know that it is necessarily a like groundbreaking picture. I don't know. I don't know that there's, um, I mean, you could, there are lots of things you could talk about, about like working within structures and, but I don't think there's, I don't think it's that deep, frankly. I think it's just kind of fun and entertaining. I don't know. What do you guys think?
Vic00:33:03Well, spoiler alert or no spoiler? Should I?
Sonny00:33:06I mean, you might as well. I mean, it's,
Vic00:33:08I, I, my, my, I had a thought at, after watching it and certainly the surprising, sad, I forgot. I mean, I've written about this, uh, too, when I, uh, written about, wrote about Aston Martin. So I knew that Carol Shelby had won, uh, the Le Mans in the, it's the only time Aston Martin, I believe is one. And the race has been dominated by Porsche, right? Uh, over the years, uh, is dominated by Porsche. Uh, Mercedes stopped participating for like 23 years after that awful accident. But, um, the ending, the, the, the crash, uh, that, uh, that ends, uh, Ken Miles's, uh, life. Um, if you're working for a car company and you die in a test crash, is, I wonder if there's like a big payout. Is there a life? How does that work? You know, I mean, does the family get taken care of, especially back in the day, you know, but I was just going to say, speaking of life insurance, Ethos is faster, easier, and more affordable way to get life insurance, to make sure your family's taken care of. Even if you aren't around to take care of them, like in the end of this movie, they're committed to finding the plan that's best for you and your budget, all from the comfort of your computer, tablet, or phone in just 10 minutes or less. Simply answer a few questions online about things like your health, age, and income. Then finish your application and get a near instant approval. Everyone is different, but a healthy 35 year old can get a million dollars of coverage for only $50 a month. With Ethos, you can rest easy knowing the people you love are taken care of. Confusing terms and piles of paperwork not included. Our listeners can get started by going to ethoslife.com slash sub-beacon and clicking on check my price. Again, get a fully personalized quote by going to ethoslife.com slash sub-beacon one more time. Make sure you to visit ethoslife.com slash sub-beacon so they know we sent you JVL. What did you think about this movie?
JVL00:34:58There was a lot to like and some stuff that wasn't as good as I wanted it to be. I'm very curious as to what you thought because by quad by Mattis quadrant analysis. Yes. Yes. This is a problematic movie because of the length. It was two hours and 34.
Vic00:35:16Four minutes or something. Violence. Oh, there's. Well, nudity. Exciting.
JVL00:35:21There's no violence. Nudity is the extra. Nudity is just extra credit. What's the fourth? Was it easy to understand? Could you understand?
Vic00:35:28Because of my background, having written about this and read up a lot about LeMans, I understood. I knew what Sebring was, which is the race in England. And, you know, I mean, so, I mean, I understood there was a passage of time because he had gotten through several races in order to get this point. I also understood in our at the Free Beacon, John Podhortz reviewed Ford versus Ferrari, and he was confused by it because he didn't know. He's like, what's what's at the end? He's like, why is Christian Bale taking a nap? Shouldn't he be in there? So, you know, the racers themselves, besides entering two or three cars, you also take shifts when you take the pit stop and other racers come on board.
JVL00:36:02Did John think they drove all 24 hours?
Vic00:36:05Until he saw this and realized that's a real endurance test. So I didn't have a problem with the plot. The length of the movie. It's one of these movies where I understood. Going in mentally, this is going to be a long movie, and it didn't feel that long to me. It definitely zips by. You know what it's like? It's like sometimes there are certain writers who we know will submit 8,000 words, but it only feels like 2,000 words. And there's certain writers who will write 1,200 words, and it feels like 5,000 words. Right. So this is the first category. So I thought it zipped by. There's crashes. I like that.
JVL00:36:40I didn't expect fights.
Sonny00:36:41People throwing wrenches at each other.
Vic00:36:42No, I saw this movie with my father-in-law and my son. And, you know, they both loved it. My son, he knows all the makes and models of all these old cars. He's a fan of the old cars. And my father-in-law loved it. I loved it. I gave it A++. It's nice to go to a movie just to enjoy this. We're like, this is a nice movie. And it's, you know, there's no other. Don't, you know, you're not hammering some insane or whatever political message or some other. You know, the agenda is not over the top, and you're beating me over the head with it. It's just a nice movie. And two guys, they have this friendship. It's a bit of a back and forth, and it's ultimately poignant. And, you know, I haven't felt this way since I saw Rambo.
JVL00:37:24What did you guys think about the watches?
Sonny00:37:27Was there some good watch porn? Yeah, I noticed that.
JVL00:37:29There was some fine watch porn. There's a tag.
Vic00:37:31It's very, it's retro. It's great retro.
JVL00:37:34There's a Monaco and a Ottavia were the watches that I believe.
Sonny00:37:40Pretty sure.
JVL00:37:41Yeah. So I think that Miles is wearing the Monaco and Shelby is wearing the Ottavia. What about those stopwatches that they stole from Ferrari? Who made those? How about this is a, here's a story idea for you, Sonny. Ford versus Ferrari is actually a soft reboot of Apollo 13. Okay. Sure. You like that? So here's my, the one thing that I wanted out of the movie that I thought it didn't. Who's Fred Hayes?
Sonny00:38:11It's not a soft reboot.
JVL00:38:13It's just following the same formula.
Sonny00:38:14I mean, this is what I'm talking about. It's a. It is like a classic Hollywood formula movie.
JVL00:38:18The one thing about it that I was left vaguely disappointed by was the racing scenes, which were good. I mean, I went out of my way to see it on an IMAX because I wanted to see all that stuff really big and it was, it was fun. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't, it didn't like grab me by the lapels and put, it wasn't like the car chase in Ronan, which is what I expected. I expected. In the same way that the car chase in Ronan is top five car chases all time, I expected racing scenes that maybe didn't like due to racing what Raging Bull did for boxing, but kind of did that. And it didn't, for me, it didn't hit like that. And the best parts of the movie are so good that the parts that don't quite get to that level feel like a letdown, right? So the magic hour. Shot where miles and his kid are sitting on the runway and he's talking about the perfect lap. Yeah, he's breathtakingly beautiful. Yeah, the scene where we the audience are being given the layout of the LeMans track by having the kid having drawn his own version of it and his dad explain walk him around a lap. Brilliant, right? The fist fight between miles and Shelby is laugh out loud funny, like, like raising Arizona trailer fight levels of funny and then the aftermath where the Molly the wife comes out and says, you know, do you want a soda? Do you want anything? He says, I'll less says I'll take a soda pop. She asked Shelby, do you want anything to do? And he says, Yeah, I'll take one too. And my house is no, don't get him. Just me just for you to it's hysterical. Yeah, but then there's just a lot of stuff that kind of just didn't sparkle the way the
Sonny00:40:13best parts of it did. You didn't like the scene with a Henry Ford Junior in the racetrack?
JVL00:40:19You know, I thought that was a little pro forma. You didn't think that worked?
Vic00:40:23Well, the only reason why it wasn't bad. The only reason why I think it would not work is because I'd seen it already in the trailer.
Sonny00:40:28Yeah, there's that. I do think I thought I thought that worked well as a kind of demonstration of what racing is like a little bit from the from the perspective of somebody who, you know, right.
Vic00:40:42We see it.
JVL00:40:43Yeah, the closest thing they did to really show what racing is like is giving you a I thought the best thing to give you a sense of speed is there's a scene where Shelby writes something down on a chalk slate, walks out to the track. I think it's at Daytona and holds it up. And you then see from the racer's perspective how fast and you just blow right by it. I mean, it's so much faster than anything that you're used to driving. You think to yourself, holy crap, how did he read that? You just blow through it so quickly. And that was interesting. I have a I have a did you guys notice any interesting acting choices by Josh Lucas? Oh, he has Leo Beeb. No. What do you mean acting choices? You didn't see any choices that he made to portray Leo as a sort of snively, snively,
Vic00:41:35snively, snively. Is that the word you're going to take it to the next level? I was going to say, I mean, he's clearly playing him as gay. No, I don't know. I didn't.
Sonny00:41:47That didn't come across. That did not jump out at me.
JVL00:41:49100%. No. I thought to myself, wow. No, no, no. He chose to play the villain as gay. No, suck up, I would say.
Sonny00:41:56There was mincing. You know, there was mincing.
Vic00:41:58And he does it so well and he did it so well as a total sort of.
Sonny00:42:03It's not like with the Terminator, I would say, in Dark Fate.
Vic00:42:07The robot. I still couldn't believe that until you just brought that up. Anyway. No. And I like that. And I like it was a convincing role. It was a jerk. I would say another. You were talking about these wonderful little moments. The other little moment is after the first crash and he emerges from it, Ken Miles, and the kid Petey is talking to Phil Remington, the other engineer.
JVL00:42:29Also from Apollo 13.
Vic00:42:32Yes. And he's explaining to him, oh, about the suit, but he got out. He's like, well, he was able to get it. Yes, that's right. And the actor who plays him, Ray McKinnon, I think, he does it very well because he's trying to do his job and he's trying. He doesn't want to get involved in this, but you can tell in the look in his eyes. Yeah, he knows he could die. You know what I mean? And it was just I thought it was just done so well. That was a no. Yes, I agree. Totally. I loved it. The one thing that I found annoying is where the wife, Molly, gets upset and she's racing down the road. I thought that was funny. I really. I was like, oh, that was great. I thought that was great. I didn't like that.
JVL00:43:07But that was my favorite Molly part, though, is when we first meet her in the garage. Oh, yeah. She and her husband are flirting by talking. We're talking about cars. And I don't think you often see a depiction that closely observed about how married couples flirt.
Sonny00:43:24Yeah.
JVL00:43:25You know, like the little sort of games they play when they're totally alone. The wood panel station way.
Vic00:43:29I thought that was great.
JVL00:43:30It was absolutely great. And I was kind of in love with the two of them as it worked.
Vic00:43:34That totally worked. I think you could feel that there was a good chemistry and that there's a family. It was a great family. But neither of you are car guys. Well, I mean, right. No. And I mean, I mean, right.
Sonny00:43:45I've written about it, but I'm not like putting an edge together.
Vic00:43:47I'm not my brother-in-law, you know.
Sonny00:43:49Definitely not anymore. When I was younger, I was definitely into like Ferraris and like, you know, Porsches. Like, oh, look at these fancy fast cars. Because for car guys, this is Citizen Kane.
JVL00:44:00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I have two friends who are who are real car guys, both of whom are from Detroit, both of whose families were high level executives at different auto companies. And so they carry not just like the. Generic love of cars, but also the total tribal prejudices and hatreds. And so the one who's a Ford guy was like, oh, I'm going to be there first day. And my other my other I'm sorry, you're going to have to bleep this. My other friend, I said to him, so, you know, did you see it? I text him when I got out there. He goes, no. I said, you're a huge Le Mans guy. Like, you're always talking to me about motorsports. He goes, yeah, I know how the story ends. Plus, it's Ford. So them because he's a GM. Family. Oh, yeah. So loyalties, loyalties.
Vic00:44:47He literally wouldn't go see it because he's a GM guy. Cars are so beautiful and they're so much different than the car. You know, I mean, there's the general uniformity of cars today because of safety requirements and everything else with the hoods and the way they're, you know, designed. And back then, of course, is all different shapes and sizes and colors. And I mean, I jokingly leaned into my son. I go, the cars are so much better looking today, aren't they? I said, but he but he spotted there's the great scene when they go to they go to visit Ferrari. Son noticed they came in and more Mercedes 600 is that which is that fancy sort of Mercedes limo. It's gorgeous. And I go ahead.
JVL00:45:23No, I believe the true story of this actually is that Ferrari was pantsing them the whole time. Yeah, yeah. That the whole thing was a work that they knew what they were doing. They were never going to sell. Right. And it was just getting them over there to put them in leverage. And that is what off the deuce to realize not just that, but that they had.
Vic00:45:39They were had. That they were played for. And I love the Italian scenes. Italian is such a beautiful language. As it is with it, with it, without and even without that, even because even with the subtitles, you hear the words, you hear putana, you know, you know what?
JVL00:45:53Oh, you know.
Vic00:45:54Oh, he just cursed. And then when he said gabagool.
Sonny00:45:56Oh, I got a good.
Vic00:45:59You know, so it's just I love those scenes. And the guy who plays Enzo Ferrari. Great, too. I mean, he's like a godfather. You know, I mean, it was it was great. It was great.
JVL00:46:10And it's based on those those Ferraris and the original GT 40. Those things are just. Sex on wheels. Yeah. They're so hot looking.
Vic00:46:18And the other thing, you know, and Ken Miles also in they make a reference to this about him. You know, he was in the war. And so you see a photo, the portrait. And he was like landing in Normandy, like in a tank unit. You know, and it's like continue on doing their thing. And the other was, you know, who I thought I would see more of, but didn't. And he is very, very minor is Bruce McLaren because he was another test driver.
JVL00:46:40Yeah. Yeah.
Vic00:46:41And the one who ultimately wins his own Lamont, right in his own, his own car company. And he died like in the early seventies. Also in a car crash.
JVL00:46:48Sonny, do you think that there are awards season things happening?
Vic00:46:55Especially for Christian Bale. Again, you talk about that face, the scene where he decides that he's going to go into the ridiculous tie thing.
Sonny00:47:01Yeah. If this ends up being a huge box office hit, which it might be, I mean, 31 million isn't a huge debut, but it got an A plus from CinemaScore. This is a movie that appeals to older people. I think you could see it holding. I think it will. Play for a while. So, you know, if this gets in the, this gets over a hundred million, 150 million, I think they could, I think this could be like the, the crowd pleasing, big budget, best picture nominee in a, in a way that I don't think Avengers Endgame will be. Or the Irishman. Or the Irishman. Do you guys have James Bond? The Irishman will 100% get it. At a best picture nomination.
JVL00:47:46That's going to happen. Right. No, no. The question is just whether they can push over the line and win. Do you guys have James Mangold thoughts?
Sonny00:47:52I, uh.
JVL00:47:52Any rankings?
Sonny00:47:54No, I don't have a ranking.
JVL00:47:55Because I have a James Mangold ranking. I'm sure you do.
Sonny00:47:57I'm sure you do. I, I don't, I don't have a.
JVL00:47:59I'm sure you do, but he doesn't care to hear it.
Sonny00:48:00I don't, I don't, I don't have a James Mangold ranking, but I was, I was wondering, I do kind of wonder if this movie is so formula driven that it will look like Walk the Line in a few years. Like I, I, I rewatched Walk the Line recently, or I, I watched Walk the Line for the first time recently. I had actually never seen it. Uh, and I had, I had, I had seen Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox story, maybe like, maybe like a year ago. And I was just like, holy crap, that's, it's the same movie. It like beat for beat.
JVL00:48:28It was like, I, I like, I could not take it seriously. I just could not take it seriously. So I do, I do kind of wonder if this falls into that category possibly, but you would
Sonny00:48:39have to get a really good parody car racing movie and they've already made one with Ricky Bobby and it's not. It's not the same as this.
JVL00:48:45It's, it's, that's right. Oh, you go ahead. Mangold rating. Mangold ranking. So Mangold is, I think is sneakily underrated. I would say going from three to top three movies. Number three, three, 10 to Yuma. Right. Right. Pretty good movie. And what's funny is all three of his sneaky good movies were box office disappointments.
Vic00:49:02And this was just also teaming up with a Christian Bale again.
JVL00:49:04Christian Bale. Right. Uh, number two, night and day. K N I G H T. Oh yeah. Cameron Diaz, Tom Cruise movie, which is really, really good. Really good. Really good. Actually, really good. And totally overlooked. Nobody saw it. It was just bombed. It died. They didn't know how to sell it. Um, I figured it was water and paramount, but they had no idea how to sell the movie. This was the moment when Tom Cruise stopped being a movie star, basically. Uh, and number one, the Wolverine. You mean Logan? No. No. The Wolverine, which I prefer to Logan.
Sonny00:49:32Logan is definitely better than the Wolverine. I, I just. This is just you being, this is just you being difficult. This is just you being difficult. Oh, you like it.
Vic00:49:37The one in Japan.
JVL00:49:38Yeah.
Sonny00:49:39Yeah. The one in Japan is good. Lost in translation. It's good, but Logan.
JVL00:49:42Wolverine lost in translation, as I like to think of it.
Sonny00:49:44It's, it's, that one is fine.
Vic00:49:46Logan meets lost translation. That's the elevator bridge for it.
JVL00:49:48That literally is the elevator bridge for it, and it's great. Yeah.
Vic00:49:51Fine. There. I love the scene where she comes into the hangar. Also very sexy. The wife, Molly.
JVL00:49:58Oh, with the, uh.
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?00:51:10For...
Vic00:51:10Did you see Days of Thunder when it came out in the theater? Of course I did. I did not. And you know what? I just wasn't... I saw it later and it was fine, I thought.
Sonny00:51:21You know, I did not see Days of Thunder in the theater because I was like six when that came out. But I did go on the Days of Thunder simulator ride at King's Dominion about a hundred times as a young person. And that was... I think I've been on that one too. That was better than the movie. I've been on that one too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think it was better than the movie. And that was also... That was actually like a good... That was like... Like this is what kart racing is like. Right, right, right. That's like a primer.
Vic00:51:45I mean, they're obviously the older movies. That was a fun... Steve McQueen and stuff like that.
Sonny00:51:47That was a fun ride. It's not there anymore. They made it like a SpongeBob ride or something. They just...
Vic00:51:52They reconfigured it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Too bad.
Sonny00:51:56Oh, I forgot what I was going to say.
Vic00:51:58Sorry. Sorry, did I interrupt? You know what? Will this movie, Ford vs. Ferrari, will it have legs, do you think? How much money? Because it's modest. It's modest. It's modest, but... And again, I don't know how much money it cost to make the movie because it wasn't on Box Office Mojo, but...
Sonny00:52:12I think it cost in the $80 to $90 million, right?
JVL00:52:14It will, but not like crazy. I mean, because the truth is, it's good. It's just not great.
Sonny00:52:20Here's the thing.
JVL00:52:20It got... It's not the margin. I say it's great. I say it's great.
Sonny00:52:23I think a lot of people disagree with you on this. I mean, again, it got an A-plus from CinemaScore, which is not easy to do. And it...
Vic00:52:30An A-plus-plus from me.
Sonny00:52:31And an A-plus-plus from Vic.
JVL00:52:33How can any two-hour and 32-minute movie get an A-plus-plus from you? Think about it.
Sonny00:52:38It was that good. But I do... With no nudity. We'll see.
Vic00:52:42You know what they can do to appeal to kids? Like a version of this movie, but where the cars talk to each other, like they're animated. I think that would work.
JVL00:52:50Is it true that there's only one female character in this movie with lines?
Vic00:52:56Is that okay? No, the secretaries at Ford, they say a few words.
JVL00:53:01Oh, the pretty Ford secretaries also get to talk. Oh, and the wife. The trophy wife gets to say something, too, right?
Vic00:53:06The girls around the Ferrari offices. Henry Ford, yes, exactly. Did you like the guy, Tracy Letts, who plays the Deuce? He's a playwright, right?
JVL00:53:16Augusto, Sage County. You know, I, again, I looked at him and I just thought to myself, like, Jeff Daniels would do this better. Like, there are probably a half dozen actors who would have done this better. I actually thought it was Jeff Daniels.
Sonny00:53:29The first time in the, no, in the, like, the first trailer for this movie, I was like, oh, Jeff Daniels is playing Henry Ford Jr. That's, you know.
JVL00:53:37No, I mean, you could have. Like, John Goodman or, again, there are a half dozen, like, big personality actors who I think would have done, I don't know how exactly to explain this. This portrayal of the Deuce was like an actor trying to show that he's a big, powerful guy instead of just having a big, powerful guy who doesn't even think of himself that way. You know what I'm saying?
Sonny00:54:04I don't know. I would have wanted more of a force of nature for that.
JVL00:54:08But that's okay. Again, it doesn't matter. I mean, the voice of the people has spoken.
Vic00:54:12Plus, plus. Vox Populi.
JVL00:54:13Plus, plus.
Vic00:54:13I think the last really long movie that got, like, a high rating from me might have been, like, I don't know, Heat, you know. And we'll see how the Irishman does. But, you know, I'll see that over the span of three days. Yeah, I was going to say, that doesn't count. You can watch it at home. It's an hour a day. That's an hour a day.
JVL00:54:28You can watch it at home. You can pause and pee five different times during that thing. I just did already.
Vic00:54:33Okay. Do we have any other thoughts? Nah, I'm done. All right, then. That's all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments? Complaints? Compliments? Tweet us at SonnyBunch, at Victorino Matus. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes, Google Play, and Stitcher. Just type in Sub-Beacon under Podcasts. We're there. Leave a review. Tell your friends. Until next time.
Sonny00:55:00Anything.
Vic00:55:01You didn't die. No, and I stopped drinking my regular coffee. That's why.
JVL00:55:06So what do you guys think? Was it a pleasant little buzz? Did it freak you out, feeling your... There was a moment in the middle of the show. I need more. There was a moment in the middle of the show where my microphone looked like it was vibrating, and I couldn't tell if it was because I was shaking or just my vision. Right, the twitch.
Vic00:55:22Did you have a twitch? Yeah, I kind of felt like... Is this the first...
Sonny00:55:26I can't wait. You're going to bleep that? You're going to have to delete that?
?00:55:30What?
Sonny00:55:31I don't understand. I don't get it.
JVL00:55:33Never mind.
Sonny00:55:35I'm sure it's fine. I'm Ron Burgundy.
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