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#54. Birds of Prey, the Oscars, and Gym Fees!

2020-02-13 · 59:08

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Birds of Prey splits the show wide open. JVL saw it in a packed Dolby Atmos house at the Alamo Drafthouse where every joke landed, and he texted the guys afterward that between this and Joker, DC has overtaken Marvel in cinematic ambition — he stands by it, calling the film smarter than the first Deadpool (which "just gets by on smarm"), praising the way the Harley-on-the-run, stolen-diamond and Huntress-vengeance plots weave together, the itchy-and-scratchy violence, the hyena named Bruce, and a genuinely thoughtful treatment of toxic masculinity that he backs up with Harvey Mansfield's Manliness and contrasts with the "ham-handed paint-by-numbers piece of cardboard" that was Captain Marvel. Sonny, whose own theater was 90% empty, was bored for long stretches: he'd have preferred a straight Harley Quinn movie, rates Mary Elizabeth Winstead's eye-rolling Huntress his favorite performance with Margot Robbie and a very hammy Ewan McGregor chewing scenery, thinks Rosie Perez is a decade too old for Montoya and the Cassandra Cain pickpocket is a lousy character, and says watching it feels like reading a Word document where someone has obviously pasted in text in a different font. He also calls the release a disaster — $33 million against projections of $50-55 million, the worst DCEU opening since Man of Steel, needing $320-330 million to break even — and blames the title, insisting it should have been "Harley Quinn, from the director of John Wick," since Chad Stahelski reshot much of it anyway. Vic skipped it after John Podhoretz's review but runs the quadrant (1 hour 50, medium plot, fantastic violence, no nudity) and lands on B+, which turns out to be its actual CinemaScore. The Oscars post-mortem has Sonny insisting his hedges covered Bong Joon-ho and Parasite, more surprised that 1917 lost than that Bong took screenplay away from Tarantino, and shrugging at Hollywood's now-established habit of rewarding small films while ratings fall six million viewers to the lowest ever. JVL finds it genuinely amazing that an industry under existential threat from streaming used its one big advertisement for the theatrical experience to crown a tiny subtitled movie instead of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood or 1917, and both marvel at the inexplicable Eminem interlude (JVL passes along Richard Rushfield's line that it was the 18th anniversary of 8 Mile, which is the 10th anniversary plus eight). Elsewhere: the French Dispatch trailer, which JVL says made him simultaneously desperate to see it and want to murder everyone involved, plus Sonny's tirade about an LA Times piece calling Wes Anderson's casting too white when the trailer contains Jeffrey Wright, Benicio Del Toro and Stephen Park; JVL's grief over having been in line outside the old media club right when the bomb went off, illustrated by a Times piece on a former Details editor who ran on 60 Vicodin a day and published a fabricated Kurt Andersen interview without losing his job; Sonny's XSport Fitness cancellation saga, where an Illinois law supposedly required a signed letter mailed to a P.O. box until he played the Texas card and asked for a manager, who produced an email option in 60 seconds; his praise for Amazon delivering a Diaper Genie at 6:03 a.m.; a plug for the Dallas premiere of Fangoria's VFW, essentially Assault on Precinct 13 with old guys in a veterans' bar; and Vic's confession that he is drinking more beer than he wants, including a walk to a bar during his daughter's dance class, plus a long-overdue gout update.

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Vic00:00:00Hello and welcome to another edition of the Sub-Beacon, sponsored by DoorDASH. I'm Victor Matus, along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. Just a reminder, Sub-Beacon is available on iTunes, Google Play, and Stitcher. Look at our podcast and search for Sub-Beacon. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and leave a review. We have received a bunch of lovely five-star reviews lately. I don't know why, though. I'm not sure what the correlation is over the last week, but we did. So thank you to all those people who left them. Gentlemen, how are we? Sunny? What's happening?
Sonny00:00:56Not a whole lot. Not a whole lot. More adventures in moving. I'm going to have something to shill in a minute. I have something that the Sub-Beacon listeners are going to be very excited about.
JVL00:01:09Rebellermedia.com?
Sonny00:01:10It's kind of related to Rebellermedia.com, where if you use promo code SUBBEACON, you get 15% off. Whoa. So I am, as everyone knows, I have moved. And one of the things I forgot to do before I moved was to cancel my gym membership. I had a long-time membership at X Sports Fitness in Alexandria. There are many locations in Northern Virginia and Chicago, as it turns out. And I had forgotten. So I called them up. And I assumed, because this is how they get you. This is how they get you. They were going to add a hoop to jump through for me to cancel my membership. I couldn't just do whatever the problem was.
JVL00:01:53Well, you have to do it in person. You have to do it in person, Mr. Bunch.
Sonny00:01:54That I would have to send a fax back, a form or something or whatever. So I called them up. And I get transferred to some main office somewhere. And the nice lady on the other end is like, Hi, I understand you want to cancel your membership. So to do that, you either need to go to a do-it-in-person at your location or you need to mail us. A letter saying that you want to cancel it. And I was like, hold on a sec. Certified by a public notary. You want me to mail you a letter? They were like, yes. She gave me a P.O. box address. And she said, here's what you're going to have to do. You're going to have to write on this piece of paper. You're going to have to write your name, your membership number, say that you want to quit, and then sign it. And mail it to this P.O. box. And I was like, okay, why? And she's like, well, in Illinois, which is where we're based, you have to sign to end your gym membership. There's a law that says you have to sign something to end your membership. And I said, okay, I'd like to talk to your manager, please, because that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That's literally, like, you can admit it to me on the phone, nice lady, that this is the stupidest thing that anyone has ever told anyone, that I have to mail just a blank piece of paper with my name signed on it to your P.O. box, and that's how I cancel my membership. This is the most ridiculous, I'd like to talk to your manager. She's like, sir, that's the law. I was like, I don't live in Chicago. I don't live, my gym is not in Chicago. I don't have anything to do with the laws of Illinois. I don't care about the laws of Illinois. I live in Texas now. In Texas, we don't have to do that. I played the Texas card. We're free in Texas. We're free. In Texas, we're free. So she... Did you put an accent on? I tilted my cowboy hat. I was like, uh, pulled up my boots. Jangled the spurs a little bit on the phone. And she said, sir, but that's just... I was like, I don't... Look, all right, fine. You can't help me. I'd like to speak to your manager right now, please. And she's like, okay, hold on. So I sit on hold for about 60 seconds. And she immediately gets back on the line and says, okay, I'm going to email it to you. And you can cancel over email. But this was an option the entire time.
Vic00:04:11A special exception for Sonny Bunch in the state of Illinois.
Sonny00:04:14The laws of Illinois are null and void.
JVL00:04:17So did she go to the governor to get that dispensation?
Sonny00:04:20She got with it. She got with the parole board. And they were like, all right, we're going to make... It's the law. We'll make it... Wait, how did this...
JVL00:04:26If it's the law, then how did it happen?
Sonny00:04:29I was... I have to say, it was one of the more surreal and also entertaining moments I've had on the phone recently. Because as I discussed last week, I've spent a lot of time on the phone with Spectrum Cable. And this was actually much more pleasant because it was able to... Oh, a piece of cake compared to that. I was able to get what I needed done, done. So that was...
JVL00:04:51Except that these people... These people lied to you.
Sonny00:04:53Oh, they lied straight to my ear. They lied right... They lied... They just were... They were full of it from the frigging get-go.
Vic00:05:01Well, I think with a lot of these companies, they just hope you're just going to say, you know, do I go through the hassle of doing this or do I just say, screw it, and here's another gym membership for the rest of my life. Oh, totally. Because it's much more easier to do that.
Sonny00:05:15Well, Beth, my wife, literally said, I'm just going to wait till I go back to D.C. in two weeks and go to the membership. And go to, like, the actual gym and cancel my membership because I don't want to have to deal with this nonsense on the phone.
JVL00:05:27Yeah, that's right.
Sonny00:05:27I was like, that's a totally reasonable... That's a totally reasonable...
Vic00:05:31When you do it in person, you also have to do 10 pull-ups.
Sonny00:05:33Yeah, if you...
Vic00:05:34And if you can't do it...
Sonny00:05:35If you show up there and your body fat's above 13%, they're like...
Vic00:05:38The BMI index.
Sonny00:05:39We're not... It's the law in Chicago... In Illinois. There's nothing they can do about it. It's in the fine print. You cannot quit your gym membership unless you have reduced your BMI by 25%.
JVL00:05:49I kind of like this, Tails, Sonny. These tails of the consumer nightmare escape. Yeah. This is a good segment.
Vic00:05:56Because it's in every aspect of your life that these companies have managed to just lock you in and it's just an incredible pain to get out of it.
Sonny00:06:04It's something else. Once again, though, you know who has come through for me? Amazon. I had to order a diaper genie. I ordered a diaper genie because the diaper genie refills fell out or ran out last night at like 10 p.m. So it was one of these things where it's like either I go to... So I have, you know, so I can throw the diapers away in the morning or I don't know what to do. But I hopped right on Amazon on the app, ordered a diaper genie and a couple other things to get it above $35. And it was at my house at 6.03 a.m.
JVL00:06:41You know, I had an Amazon do something weird happen with Amazon a couple months ago where they marked a package as delivered, they sent me the picture of it, and I could tell that it wasn't mine. So the Amazon person just left it in the wrong place. And this is on the Amazon website. It's actually a little bit hard to make this specific complaint of like, hey, where's my stuff? So I wound up calling the Amazon phone system, and you are shunted into a robot phone system, and it worked perfectly.
Sonny00:07:11Oh, really?
JVL00:07:12I was on the robot phone system for about 30 seconds total.
Sonny00:07:15You know why? It's because they have all the voices from Alexa. They've been capturing all those voices. I'm not even joking. I'm not even joking. This is 100%. They have like figured out. It's like, it's probably the one voice AI that actually works in the whole country.
JVL00:07:31So this is, but the other thing is, if you wanted to, for some reason, if you were crazy and you wanted to cancel your Prime membership, you could do it without showing up in the state of Washington, right?
Sonny00:07:41You would have to travel to Seattle.
JVL00:07:43They would just let you because Amazon.
Sonny00:07:45You actually have to fly to Washington and kneel before Bezos, Lord Bezos, and explain to him why you know one. You no longer want to be part of his feudal system.
JVL00:07:54You have to show up at the gates of his new $165 million manse in Los Angeles and stand outside the gates with a boombox, Lloyd Dobler style.
Sonny00:08:03You have to go to his home in Washington and use all of the toilets. And once you have used all of the toilets in his home, you are free. Your soul is released from the Amazon ecosystem.
JVL00:08:13Hey Sonny, I have a consumer question for you.
Sonny00:08:15Yes.
JVL00:08:15Out in Tejas.
Sonny00:08:16Yes.
JVL00:08:17What is your grocery chain called? They're all, all grocery stores in America are owned by like three. Three companies. Yeah, yeah. And they're all Dutch.
Sonny00:08:24So I hold. We go to, we go to Kroger, which is, yeah, which is basically like, uh, I think it's owned by Bonds, the chain that owns like Bonds and Safeway and Albertsons and all those. I guess I'm not a hundred percent sure.
JVL00:08:38Well, Safeway is now owned by the same people that own Giant and Stop and Shop.
Sonny00:08:41Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't actually.
JVL00:08:43They've been consolidating.
Sonny00:08:44I don't actually know a hundred percent, but I will say that groceries out here, way cheaper, way cheaper. Like my grocery bill is down 25% easy.
JVL00:08:51So groceries cheaper. Land is cheaper. How about gas? Is gas cheaper?
Sonny00:08:56Uh, I would say it's marginally cheaper. It's not as much cheaper as I thought it would be.
JVL00:09:02The state income tax, remind me, the state income tax in Texas, the state income tax rate is.
Sonny00:09:07Zero.
JVL00:09:07It's 35%, right?
Sonny00:09:09But local, local taxes are, are higher and state, uh, sales tax is higher. So they get you. They still get you.
Vic00:09:17What's, what's, what's the Tex-Mex like down there?
Sonny00:09:19It's great. It's great. I mean, I have talked. Have you found.
Vic00:09:22Did you go to Chili's? Yeah. Have you found places to go? I have. Like where? Where are you? You go to Chili's and Chili's.
Sonny00:09:27I've been to Chili's seven times and it's just every time it gets better than the last. No, there's a, there's a, there's this place near our home that's like, it's like a mile and a half from our home that claims to be the restaurant that invented the frozen margarita. Uh, it's like something, something's hacienda.
JVL00:09:41It's like the original Ray's pizza in New York.
Sonny00:09:43Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
JVL00:09:44Uh, that was, that was really good.
Sonny00:09:48That was really good. Uh, and, uh, let's see, there, there are all sorts of like little taco stands, like all over that I've just been kind of going to and, and trying out. I'm probably going to go to a new one today. Um, yeah. Anyway, I did have one thing I wanted to just, I want to, I want to shill for one minute. Uh, our sister label Fangoria is, uh, having the Dallas premiere of our new movie VFW, which stars Steven Lang and Fred Williamson and a whole bunch of other, uh, cool, cool old guys. Um, uh, it's basically, it's basically a salt on precinct 13, except with old guys in a VFW bar, uh, fighting off young punk teenagers, uh, for, for 90 minutes.
JVL00:10:28I hope the sequel is called Knights of Columbus. Yeah. I'm ready. I'm there.
Sonny00:10:31The sequel stars Vic Madison, Knights of Columbus. But, uh, we're having the Dallas premiere on Saturday, February 15th at the Texas theater. I will be there. Any Sub-Beacon listeners who have ever wanted to meet me in person and live in the Dallas, Fort Worth area, I will be there. If we can get, if we can get.
JVL00:10:49I actually know somebody who's going. He emailed me. Yeah. And he said, yeah, he's going to this thing. He wants to go say hi.
Sonny00:10:54Uh, come, come say hi to me. I will be there. And if we get like a critical mass of, you know, Dallas area, Texas area listeners, I bet we can convince Vic to come out for a live show. Oh, me?
Vic00:11:07I go out just to go to the Lone Star live show. I want to go. I just want to go back to a Bob's Steak and Chop house. So yeah, it's going to be amazing.
Sonny00:11:14If you, if you come out to Texas, I will take you to all of the best food places. The food here is, the food here is. Oh, I know.
Vic00:11:20I've been to Dallas multiple times. No, Larry. Larry's from Texas. The food here is actually amazing. It really is good. My friend, Peter Lowe's from Texas. Peter Lowe's from Texas.
JVL00:11:26I stayed there for, I'm positive. And who's, who's our, our old Forrester buddy? Um, Sub-Beacon fan is from, oh, he's Houston.
Sonny00:11:33Yeah. That's probably 19 hours away. Yeah. It's like, it's like a hundred hours away. Everything in Texas is a hundred hours from everything else. I went, I like Rage Against the Machine. I think Larry's also. Is kicking off their tour, uh, at El Paso. They're, they're like going on a world tour or whatever. And they're starting in Texas and they're playing at El Paso. And I'm like, oh my God. And I'm like, oh, El Paso. I bet that's pretty close to Dallas. Nope. 10 hours. Literally 10 hours away. I was like, okay.
Vic00:11:58You know what? It's like from here to Hyattsville feels like 10 hours to me.
JVL00:12:02You can go to Orlando from, from Washington DC to Orlando is 10 hours. You can, there is, there is almost any, if you are somewhere on the Eastern seaboard, you can get to any other place on the Eastern seaboard in 10 hours.
Vic00:12:12I'd like to go to Waco, which is the birthplace of Jennifer Love Hewitt. Just want to throw that out there. Waco's actually pretty close. Maybe she's the birthplace, but she's grew up there.
Sonny00:12:20Waco, Waco, I think is only like 90 minutes away. It's from Dallas. It's actually pretty close.
Vic00:12:24There you go. Oh, it's also that, that home show is on there for me.
Sonny00:12:29Anyway, Sub-Beacon listeners come, come to the VFW Dallas premiere. And if you are in the military or if you are a veteran, you get in free.
Vic00:12:36So I was in, I was in the civil air patrol. Does that count? Sure.
Sonny00:12:40If you show up, if you show up on Saturday, I will buy your ticket for you. That's how much I want you there.
Vic00:12:46That's very exciting. Thank you, Sonny. No, there were people talking about this on Twitter about a possible Sonny Bunch sightings. Like, it was like Sasquatch. Did you hear? I don't know if you saw that. They were pretty sure they saw you on stage somewhere. Yeah. And I said, well, maybe they were watching something with Jimmy Simpson, the actor. You should get a movie, Sonny, with Jimmy Simpson to get the two of you together.
Sonny00:13:06No, no, no, no. I don't know who that is.
Vic00:13:09He's an actor who looks just like Sonny. He doesn't look anything like me.
JVL00:13:12He doesn't look anything like me. He looks a lot like him.
Vic00:13:15Okay, JVL, what's going on with you?
JVL00:13:16Can we talk about the French dispatch?
Vic00:13:19Yes, of course. Please.
JVL00:13:22The trailer for Wes Anderson's new New Yorker, his movie based on the New Yorker, dropped yesterday. And John Podhoretz texts me and says, oh, my God, it's like a Wes Anderson homage directed by Wes Anderson. If it was a contest. And I got to say, it is the most Wes Anderson thing ever made, where Bill Murray is like Wallace Shawn as the actor. He's the editor of this weirdo version of the New Yorker, the old New Yorker. And the movie seems to be built around three long form stories that are being reported out by reporters, one of whom is Tilda Swinton, one of whom is Frances McDormand, and one of whom is Jeffrey Wright. And everything about it, it made me simultaneously desperate to see it and wanting to murder everybody who had anything to do with making it. Does that make sense? Sure.
Sonny00:14:23What's the German word for that?
JVL00:14:25I don't know. Vic, what is the German word? Schadenfreude? I don't do fuck it, but kill it.
Vic00:14:29Oh, I'll get back to you on that one. I got to go. Quick, let me get along the dark net. So anyway, yes, I don't. Yes, I was wondering. It's like, oh, I don't know. I mean, he's sort of out parodying himself in a way. Am I? Would I see it? Of course, I would still see it. But it is strange that he has a particular way of doing things. And that's the only way he's going. You're not going to see something completely different. From him, like a movie from Wes Anderson. That's going to be, you know, different. It's all like this. It's this, you know, you're looking at dioramas. It's dioramas, but it's a great cast. What they say, who's not in the cast. I thought I read somewhere, Sonny, that it was an all white cast.
Sonny00:15:08I swear to God.
JVL00:15:09Jeffrey writes in it.
Sonny00:15:10It's like there was. Yeah, there was a write up of the trailer in the Los Angeles Times where the author was like, this movie has the same problem of many of other Wes Anderson's movies that it doesn't have any prominent actors of color or whatever. And I was just like, I mean, first off, you literally just watched the trailer that had Jeffrey Wright and Benicio Del Toro and Stephen Park in it. And Tony Revolori, I think, is like in it barely. But he's he's he's also. And and and this is also just an outdated way of describing Wes Anderson's movies. His last movie starred again, like Tony Revolori, who is, I think, Indian American or Pakistani American or Guatemala, Guatemala. It's like whatever he's not. He's not white, is my point.
JVL00:15:53Not a single person of color in the Fantastic Mr. Fox.
Sonny00:15:56Very not white.
JVL00:15:57Not one.
Sonny00:15:57And then and then Isle of Dogs, which had a number of Japanese actors and in roles voicing Japanese characters. I just like I'm it's it's it's I don't know. It is it's one of these things where there's like one thing that the woke set has to say about Wes Anderson that his movies are too white. So like even when the movies are very diverse, you still have to. Stick with the script because you got nothing else to say. It's it's really it really is like the the we are watching the devolution of film criticism like in front of our eyes from a discussion of the art arts in question to like this weird checkbox Excel spreadsheet mode of thinking. I hate it. I hate it. And I want it to die.
JVL00:16:42Did either of you notice that the the Wes Anderson trailer, the new the announcement of the Wes Anderson trailer drop was on.
Sonny00:16:52Drudge with a photo. That's interesting.
JVL00:16:55How did that happen? But it just struck me as are either of you vaguely upset that this is the depiction of media and this this bygone world of journalism? Because what upsets me is simply that we missed it.
Vic00:17:14Well, yeah, we talk about this. You talk about this all the time.
JVL00:17:17We came in at the precise and we are the only class who knows what we missed. Because we were had we been five years younger, five years old, five years old, five years older. I'm sorry. If we were five years younger than it would have been like we never would have known it existed.
Vic00:17:30Right.
JVL00:17:30Five years older and we would have been allowed inside the curtain. That's right. Right. Or a little bit past the velvet rope. But we were like in line waiting to get into the club when all of a sudden a bomb blew up inside the club. That's right. And like now the club doesn't exist anymore. It's just this like broken husk of a building. And we're still standing there with our, you know, the the the cartoon, you know, like soot all over our face. And our hair smoking going, oh, what happened? We really wanted to go in there.
Sonny00:17:56See, that's a very Wes Anderson image, by the way. Like, yeah, it's like a smash cut to somebody directly in the middle of the screen with their hair all frizzy and smoke coming out of their their hair. And they're saying, what just happened?
Vic00:18:10Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the same thing if you hear like our friend Andy Ferguson talk about Time Life magazine back in the day and they had the bar cart. Granted, I do have a reader's digest. A reader's digest. Yeah. I mean, people were paid enormous sums to have very interesting, fun lives that were not, you know, you you didn't have $10 a word. You didn't have to worry about issues like web traffic and things like that.
JVL00:18:36Did you did you either of you guys see the piece in The New York Times yesterday about the the gentleman who was the former editor of Details, who has just put out his memoir?
Sonny00:18:46I did about I did see that. Did you read that? I didn't actually read it. Was it good?
JVL00:18:51It was amazing. I have not wanted to murder somebody that much since watching the Fyre Festival documentary. In what sense?
Vic00:18:59Because it wasn't it wasn't you that was living this life.
JVL00:19:02So that's how I feel. So this guy was spent like he was hired to be editor of Details at the age of 28. He showed up at Details and basically all he did was pop Vicodin. He was doing like 60 Vicodin or Oxycodone or whatever his prescription equivalent was a day. He was rarely showing up. When he would show up, he would yell and scream at people. He ran a piece by Kurt Anderson, including if you remember the way the old Details worked, like in the front of the book, they would always have like little two paragraph interviews with the writers, including it. So the interview about their piece with Kurt Anderson about the piece.
Sonny00:19:43Kurt Anderson didn't write any pieces for him. It was all made up.
JVL00:19:49And this guy did not lose his job for that.
Sonny00:19:52Wait, wait, I'm sorry. How did that happen? Who actually wrote it?
JVL00:19:58Unclear. Somebody who isn't Kurt Anderson wrote it. Somebody who isn't Kurt Anderson constructed an interview with Kurt Anderson.
Vic00:20:05It happened on this guy's watch. Did Kurt Anderson get paid? No. Shouldn't he have then said, hey, wait a minute.
JVL00:20:13So this all happens pre-internet, right? So it's like 2008 and his wife, Kurt Anderson's wife, comes home from the gym and is like, I didn't know you were writing for details because she was like looking. While she was on her stair stepper. And he's like, I didn't write anything for details. And this guy didn't lose his job.
Sonny00:20:29That's fascinating.
JVL00:20:31It is fascinating, right?
Vic00:20:33It's fascinating that Kurt Anderson sort of just shrugged it off.
JVL00:20:35And not only did he not lose his job, but he's like, you know, jetting away to Milan and being at fashion shows and doing all the things that you got to do when you were at Condé Nast back in the day. And it's very bad for America. It's very, very bad for America that our media complex. Has diminished because, you know, like a serious society needs a serious public square. On the other hand.
Vic00:20:59Right.
JVL00:20:59I am so happy to watch all these people die.
Vic00:21:01Certain kind of the the excesses. The go back to the French dispatch. Is there supposed to be a throwback to the New Yorkers? So I'm assuming like like A.J. Liebling, Joe Mitchell, that kind of a thing. Yes. Is is there a one single coherent plot? Because I didn't get that sense in the trailer. It's not. It's not like so-and-so has been accused of murder. So-and-so is missing on an island.
Sonny00:21:26Well, it does look like it all takes place in France. Right. So, like, yes, it looks like it is kind of an examination of France at an inflection point at a moment of social unrest and revolution. So I do think early 50s, I guess. Right.
Vic00:21:42Well, I guess it does seem to be some sort of 68. Right. Yeah.
Sonny00:21:45So, I mean, it seems like there's some sort of some sort of, you know, I don't know. I assume there's a through line, I guess is what I'm saying. Okay.
Vic00:21:56Well, look forward to that. JVL, anything else going on with you?
JVL00:21:59I just want to talk about the Oscars with you guys eventually, but we don't have to do it now. Okay, good.
Vic00:22:04Good. How are you, Victorino? I'm doing fine. I find myself drinking more beer than I want to. You ever find yourself in that position? No. I don't particularly, I don't love beer. I mean, certain beers. If I can go. If I can go a stretch of like, you know, a week without drinking beer or more, then when I have a beer, it's delicious. But you find yourself in these positions where if you're at a bar or if I'm hanging out with my father-in-law.
Sonny00:22:34Vic, are you trying to tell us you have a problem?
Vic00:22:36No, no. With beer, yes.
JVL00:22:38It's like the fifth straight episode where Vic's like, how was your weekend? It's like, boy, I was drinking.
Vic00:22:42No, I know. And, you know, you go to lunch, you just want to be friendly, but you don't want, like, I don't want, I don't want like, like a martini, you know, at every lunch and so on. I'm like, oh, I'll just have a beer. And eventually, you know, you wake up in the morning. I just have you just to be social, just to be social in the morning. Good night. Let me have one more beer. Just to help me sleep. The kids and the wife are down having breakfast. I got to get through that. Yesterday, I had to bring my daughter to dance class. And then, you know. So you had a beer while you were there? Kate was like, oh, I stayed there the entire time. I said, really? So I stay there. No, the whole place clears out. Everybody's in the classroom. I'm sitting there alone. So I said, forget it. I walked out around the corner. No, I walked to the bar. I walked to the bar from the dance studio, had a beer. What time is this? And what's happening? What? What time is this? This morning. No, no, no, no, no, no. This was last night. Like between 7 and 8. So what's happening is there's the weight issue. But now, I'm beginning to once again feel that twinge in the metatarsophalangeal.
JVL00:23:48Can I see it?
Vic00:23:50No. Twitch. There's no. There's no actual visible sign yet, kind of. But that's right. So this is sort of a long overdue gout update. Did you notice that half second? It was a little bit of a half second.
Sonny00:24:03No, I'm sorry. I just forgot. I forgot to do the. I just. I forgot that that was my cue.
Vic00:24:08I'm keeping it at bay. I'm keeping it at bay.
JVL00:24:10So are you doing lemon juice, water?
Vic00:24:13You know what I found we had.
JVL00:24:15What are you hitting that with?
Vic00:24:16There was a drink a lot of water and exercise is good. And there was I think we had some ocean spray cranberry cherry. I think that's good. And I'm just and you got to try to because the cherry juice and just trying. Oh, cherry juice. Yes. Right. And and trying to lose weight. So I really have to. I'm really following almost strictly the intermittent fast. But then I cannot cram three meals in the six to seven hours that I mean, I think that's the problem is cramming in because you want to have it less. So I'm trying to lose weight. Do you have your bracelet on? Just in case it erupts.
JVL00:24:52My alert. So that people will know if they have to drag you off to a hospital, you're unconscious from the gout. No, no, no. So that people know. Yes. What happened?
Vic00:25:00Oh, I see what it is. I've gone to the doctor before where they could not figure out what is that bump on the back of my heel. And I've had an X-ray. Oh, wait, the gout moved to the back.
JVL00:25:10Wait, it moves.
Vic00:25:11Oh, it moves. Yeah. Because it doesn't have to necessarily the uric acid crystals do not necessarily have to, you know, settle in one particular place all the time. Some people it happens in like other joints in their hands. I hear that's terrible. But for me, for most people, it's the toe for most people.
JVL00:25:27It's the toe. Famously so. But sometimes you get it in the heel. Is it always on the same foot? You know what? Yes. Always on the same foot. The right foot.
Vic00:25:35And you know, does everybody always get it on the right foot? No, I don't think so. Everybody's getting different. Some people get it in their thumb. And the first time it appeared on the back of the heel of all places. I don't know why I was in the middle of the bourbon trail tour in Kentucky. And it was the last day. And we had gone to the gym. Gym beam distillery. And then we were walking to that. And then I was like, why am I? Oh, my gosh. What is this bump on the back? And I thought I need it. You know what? I my my immediate remedy was to go drink. No, my immediate remedy is to go to the drugstore, the pharmacy and get a Dr. Scholl's because I thought that would that was a problem with the bunion. The bunion. I thought it was a bunion. I thought it was a bunion. And then I went away. So anyway, that would help. I had a terrible transition, so I'm not going to use it. I had a better transition. Now it's passed. The first transition was, oh, I just need to get like a parasite. Then it can, you know.
Sonny00:26:22Oh, and the earlier one was, wait a minute.
Vic00:26:25What about these minority actors in the French Dispatch? What about that guy, Park? Isn't he a Korean guy? Speaking of Korean actors, how about those Oscars? Sonny, you made some predictions last week about the Oscars. Tell us how you did.
Sonny00:26:42Well, all of my hedges were right. What? I hedged.
Vic00:26:48Paul Crookston is throwing up his arms. He's in a state. He's calling you out on this.
Sonny00:26:51I hedged repeatedly and said that there's a decent chance that Bong could win director and Parasite could win best picture. And as it happens, that's what happened.
Vic00:27:00So that's it. That's it. That's his story. He's sticking to it. That's it. And Sonny's still right is what you're saying.
Sonny00:27:09I would say that I got most of the actual picks right. Certainly all of the acting picks were pretty easy.
Vic00:27:17Cinematography, I think I called that. You called that.
Sonny00:27:18Yeah, cinematography was pretty easy. Oh, let's see. Oh, the writing categories. Yeah, so I thought that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood would still pull it out because I thought that would be Quentin Tarantino's kind of like make-up Oscar. We're not going to give you best director again or best picture despite you deserving both. So we'll give you best writer, but it went to bong.
Vic00:27:42So you were surprised.
Sonny00:27:44I wasn't shocked. I was very mildly surprised that 1917 – I would say I was more surprised that 1917 did not win best picture than I was that bong won best screenplay and best director. That seemed to be how everything was moving. He had a really great Oscar season. He ran a really great Oscar campaign. You got to give it to him. His joyfulness, he sparked joy, and no one wanted to get rid of him. So it all worked out.
JVL00:28:17JVL, do you have Oscar thoughts? I find it amazing that Hollywood, as an industry, chose to give its highest award of the year to the movie that is going to showcase, as I said in one of my other shows. Hollywood is under existential threat, right? I mean, the streaming services are coming. We're trying, people are there, people who want to kill the theatrical experience. The Oscars are your time to put on an advertisement to America saying that going to a movie, you know, paying the babysitter, buying the $15 tickets, paying $17 for a bucket of popcorn, is a thing that is worth doing because the medium matters and we do these things that don't look good on your phone. Like, they're meant to be put up on the side of a building so that you see somebody's face 30 feet high and it makes it different. And so we want to showcase. What we do differently that's better than anybody else and we're going to give it to this tiny little movie with subtitles. And I, I just find it amazing that it could not, I would have absolutely understood Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. No, I'm sure it's very good. Everybody loves Parasite. Should we see it?
Vic00:29:38Should we see Parasite?
JVL00:29:39I'm you Sonny, you saw it. But it's a small movie.
Sonny00:29:41It's okay.
JVL00:29:41Is what I'm saying. And you have, you have both, both Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and 1917, which are like really big cinema, big movie making. In different, very different ways. And both of which really do show what Hollywood does that is different from say Netflix, like even Netflix when it's the Irishman, it's different. And I, I find it amazing that the industry decided to, to not honor that.
Vic00:30:10I was, I was, I was also disappointed that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood did not win more awards. So I thought Tarantino was robbed as well. I recently got the Blu-ray. Uh, of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and it's so good and watching it and it's just, it's beautiful. The shots, the freeway shot, every shot. I mean, it's great. Did Michael love it? He did. Did you really? But the, he's not a fan of hip. My son is not a fan of hippies.
JVL00:30:41And, uh, what did he, what did he, did he have any questions for you when, when she gets in the car with him? We, we, we, we had his ears covered. We had his ears covered.
Vic00:30:51us we did well kate was there kate was there so she's like that and then of course the ending she's like cover your eyes the entire time and he's trying to pull my hand out i want to see it oh my gosh it's amazing and uh again the chekhov's flamethrower is it's such a great thing and uh he liked it a lot he loves the cars and uh i can't believe yeah i know 11 year old to see i know i know well and of course he doesn't know what really happened i mean i didn't have the the the you know uh the guts to uh you know or the strength to tell him you know how it really ended i mean he knew that it's based on you know reality and i said the ending is different and this happened but he's obviously doesn't know the actual horror of the full extent but uh it is a great movie and uh you know tarantino has created this his own little like expanded universe thing so there's the red apples you know what else i caught you know what else i caught um when he's talking about uh uh dicaprio being in italy for the spaghetti westerns he mentions a movie being uh directed by antonio margariti which is uh i believe eli roth's fake uh italian name in inglorious bastards and because chris false is always how do you say it again he goes margariti margari i thought that was great that's all great and my son uh appreciated that reference because he saw glorious bastards oh my gosh sonny what did you think uh were you were you like not outraged but
JVL00:32:17or you this just does not compute i mean it is
Sonny00:32:22hollywood has decided that it wants to reward these smaller movies with oscars i mean that's what it comes down to i think that's what the independent spirit awards are for i mean i yes but like this is this is what it comes down to at this point i mean i think you could you would start at least with those winners were no surprises but you would start at least with the hurt locker which was a very good movie but again a very small movie i think it grossed you know 15 million dollars or something something in that range um uh and then you you you keep you you keep going through the years and you see see things like this happening over and over again like uh um Moonlight winning a couple years ago uh Parasite winning this year i mean shape of water i you know say what you will uh i i don't have a problem with Parasite winning uh i don't love it it's not my favorite movie of the year it wasn't one of my 10 favorite movies of the year i don't love it it's not one of my 10 favorite movies of the year frankly but i also like have a hard time getting worked up about it winning um i i thought it was i thought it was fine and uh and i i don't mind them kind of rewarding a uh a movie that is definitely good and that like gets kind of the traditional theatrical release blah blah blah did you yeah yeah so i i mean i i like i have a hard time getting worked up about it i don't i don't hate the choice i don't love it uh once upon a time in hollywood obviously the best movie of um but uh you know what what this is what hollywood has chosen that they want to do and it is worth accepting uh uh that that is what they are going for and then just kind of looking at the ratings every year as they continue to swirl down the toilet i mean the ratings are down six million viewers year over year they're the the lowest lowest rated oscars ever by 20 percent um the lowest rated oscars were actually two years ago not last year uh and this is this is a trend that uh that that a lot of different live events are seeing uh i think you know people don't people don't really watch tv anymore live which is a shame which is a shame
Vic00:34:31because then those people all missed out on eminem yeah well i mean this is the other thing like the
Sonny00:34:36show is just ridiculous and boring and dumb i mean like the the that weird eminem interlude like eight mile literally i was like there was literally like a 90 second montage it was just like here are some songs that have been in movies culminating in eminem for some reason i mean yes like i it was it was bizarre i like
JVL00:34:58richard rushfield said it's because it was the 18th anniversary of eight mile and and 18th is the 10-year anniversary plus eight good point it's a good point the the i'm watching the montage
Vic00:35:11and it's like okay different movies and music interesting interesting oh there's eminem gee this is an awfully long segment of eminem on film did you know and then it kept going and going and he's walking down the hall this and all of a sudden it there he comes
JVL00:35:24out of out of nowhere i don't know if you guys remember this but i think eight mile opens to 55 million dollars something like that yeah that's crazy 18 years ago the curtis hansen directed movie starring this rapper who's never acted before and the late and the late britney
Vic00:35:40murphy the late britney murphy she's great man she was she was uh so uh but but in terms of people saying about you know the oscar so white thing this counts right as a win for minorities parasite jvl no i'm pretty sure parasite doesn't count as a win
JVL00:35:57for minorities wow wow what are you harvard sonny what do you do you is this dangerous
Sonny00:36:03should we stop talking about this right now the argument the argument would be that yes fine parasite wins but that doesn't change the whiteness of the acting categories are way too away blah blah blah so i mean you can't wait for losing and little women how did little women do it won best costumes because the costumes were the clothes were so pretty in the ladies movie wow wow wow that's what i'm i'm just i report you decide i like i don't know
Vic00:36:32what the costumes were so pretty okay thank you uh maybe maybe next year uh they'll nominate a another movie about uh powerful women directed by a woman and written by a woman that's right over the weekend birds of prey was perched at the top of the box office that's me chirping with 33 million dollars followed by bad boys for life still there with 12 million and in third place still 1917 with 9.2 million dollars box office thoughts uh birds of prey what do you think in terms of how it did uh what did badly
Sonny00:37:12disaster it was it was it was projected to uh i would non warner brothers sources were saying it would gross between 50 and 55 million dollars something like that uh warner brothers was hedging and saying it would gross between 40 and 45 million dollars something like that and instead it debuted to what 33 is that what the number was
JVL00:37:31and lowest grossing dc opening ever
Sonny00:37:35the word well the worst for the dceu movies the worst since since man of steel uh uh came out in and what was that 13 um it's it's the worst uh the worst of those movies
JVL00:37:49did green lantern open bigger than that
Sonny00:37:51uh that's a good question you'll you'll have to effort that real quick i'm gonna look not dceu so it doesn't doesn't count for this
JVL00:37:58no i know but that's what i'm saying green lantern is closed
Sonny00:38:01yeah but it's it's a disaster it opened it opened soft uh here at home it opened very soft overseas i think it opened to 81 or 82 million dollars worldwide um which is bad it's bad i mean this movie has to gross if you use standard hollywood uh math this movie has to grow something like 320 330 million dollars to make a profit at the box office it's probably gonna grow something like half of that it might get to 200 million worldwide um it was it was marketed exceptionally poorly uh i mean the the the the problem with this movie starts with the title which is for the record birds of prey and the fantabulous emancipation of one harley quinn now this is a very long food thanks for everything i had a great time see you later this is a very very clever twitter title and it is the sort of thing that will appeal to the the the woke folks on twitter who love the birds of prey and that lame cw series that got cancelled and the lame comic books about the birds of prey um but here's the problem nobody knows in the real world what the birds of prey are and everyone knows she's not a bird everyone knows who harley quinn is this movie should have been called harley quinn from yes or this the movie should have been called harley quinn and the the tagline on it should have been harley quinn with the director of john wick because uh john chad stileski came in and reshot a bunch of this movie because the initial screenings were a disaster there was much angst about how bad it was so he came in and chad is a woman right he what's that chad is a woman no no see this is the problem you can't you can't you don't want to undercut kathy yan god knows you don't want to under under cut the yan stands out there uh so so you know this movie this movie was marketed terribly um it doesn't help that it is not particularly good jvl you and i are going to disagree on this i think i didn't i don't think it's terrible but i don't think it's great uh and uh uh it nobody wanted to go see it because nobody had any idea what it was it was
Vic00:40:16just no i would i would have called it the joker's ex-girlfriend yeah joker's joker's dark nights dot dot dot joker's harley quinn from the director
Sonny00:40:25of john wick that's what this should that would have got i'm there already
JVL00:40:28sonny how about a starring obi-wan kenobi can i before we move on by the way to to the big boy review sonny yeah in nine years ago green lantern which is the biggest dog anybody's ever seen opens to 53 million yeah so this is a disaster to give you a sense of scale to what a giant failure
Sonny00:40:45there's no there's no and you know the the the harley quinn uh apologists will say oh but the the budget on this was only 85 million it i i hear it's closer to 90 million it's still you know probably they probably spent 100 million dollars marketing it yeah marketing um and it's it and like i i there is a related problem here which i think most audiences look at the 82 2 fresh rating on rotten tomatoes and don't believe it because they know that these movies uh like this and lady ghostbusters and you know some of the other uh uh woke blockbuster type movies get a little bit of a helping hand and nobody nobody is really nobody's really buying it anymore like that yes like that JVL it's good
Vic00:41:36that we have video here so i can see that study uh so how how about a
Sonny00:41:41big boy review then so uh i'm just gonna call this movie harley quinn because that's what it should have been called so harley quinn uh is is the story of harley quinn trying to figure out her place in the world after breaking up with the joker who was played in suicide squad by jared leto and who has been viciously written out of the history of the dceu it's very sad you know the that oscar winner jared leto doesn't get the respect he deserves for his um uh i don't know how to describe him what would you say emo emo joker emoker uh whatever whatever that was uh she she having broken up with the joker she is now fair game for all of the evil bad guys in in the world of gotham including one black mask who is played by ewan mcgregor and likes to cut people's faces off that's that was that was a weird touch um uh she has to team up with a bunch of lady heroes uh who don't really want to be heroes you have rosie perez playing uh detective montoya um you have uh something something smollett playing wow journey wow journey and then you have uh you have uh cassandra kane who i thought in the comic books is like a martial arts like a she's like she's like batwoman right she turns into batwoman but here she's like this asian pickpocket girl that girl um very very annoying uh very very annoying actress and uh and then you have you have the huntress who's
JVL00:43:15played by mary elizabeth winstead who is uh i after harley after margot robey who
Sonny00:43:22plays harley quinn and ewan mcgregor who plays black mask and both of whom i think understand the ridiculous movie that they're in and kind of lean into it and and play up the silliness of it all um mary elizabeth winstead's huntress is probably my favorite performance in this movie because she like i i don't know how to put it exactly except to say that she she kind of like uh gets that the whole thing is dumb and silly and it's kind of eye rolling at it the whole time as opposed to uh roby and and mcgregor who like get that it's silly and like really start chewing scenery um everybody else just kind of like reads their dialogue it's very annoying i don't know uh i don't know the movie is is okay it's i found myself kind of bored for long stretches um it has a couple of good fight scenes in it that uh clearly feel spliced in from a
Vic00:44:15different movie i mean uh jonathan's shaking yeah yeah i
Sonny00:44:17mean it the the movie is disjointed at best it's like somebody looked at the screenplay for deadpool was like okay here's how you make an origin story not seem like an origin story they added a few f-bombs um and then they're like look we've got the r-rated equivalent of deadpool for dc now it's harley quinn look at how great this is and it's not very good it's it just it's just shows you how much better that first deadpool was um uh with all the things they do better and like i said it has a couple of like pretty solid action sequences in it well well choreographed well coordinated interestingly shot um but the the uh i don't know the totality of it all it just the way i described it uh on letterboxd when i like wrote down my brief like 10 seconds worth of thoughts was it feels like it watching the movie feels like reading a microsoft word document where somebody has clearly cut and paste things that are of a different format and different fonts and you you look at this thing and immediately the first thing you think is oh somebody cut and paste some stuff from somewhere else into this what's going on and that's that's what watching the movie felt like to me i don't know JVL you loved it you were you were
Vic00:45:31raving about it yes uh well before we get to JVL uh full disclosure i did not see birds of prey not only because i didn't want to see it after reading john podhortz's review but also because i didn't have enough time that's right new year new you win back some me time this year and pamper yourself order with doordash so you could focus on you um doordash brings all of america's flavors to your door ordering is easy open the doordash app choose what you want to eat and your food will be delivered to you wherever you are not only is your favorite pizza joint already on doordash but there are over 000 restaurant partners in 4 000 cities so you might find a new favorite too with door-to-door delivery in all 50 states puerto rico canada and australia you can order from your local go-to's or choose from your favorite national restaurants like chipotle wendy's chick-fil-a and the cheesecake factory uh if i lived in australia i'd i'd use it to get uh outback steakhouse that's like that's how i would do i'd get out back i i'd like some shrimp on the barbie you like that i think people are turning off the podcast right now you're missing that's not a knife that's not a knife that's a knife and so people are missing out on this because it's an ad don't don't fast forward the ad with door dash you'll never have to worry about your next meal right now our listeners can get five dollars off their first order of fifteen dollars or more when you download the door dash app and enter code sub beacon that's five dollars off your first order when you download the door dash app in the app store uh and enter code sub beacon don't forget that's code sub beacon for five dollars off your first order with door dash j v l you texted us about this i couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic
JVL00:47:20about birds of prey so i i saw birds of prey on saturday night in a packed theater at the alamo draft house and the movie killed in the room i was in we were in the big show which is their big dolby atmos format everybody was laughing throughout as i was all of the jokes landed and as i walked out i texted the two of you and i said i can't believe i'm gonna say this but i think that between this and joker dc is now overtaken marvel in terms of its cinematic ambitions and i stand by it i thought you i thought you were kidding because joker i joker is amazing but uh wow this is so here's what's okay so the marvel cinematic universe is a very coherent place in terms of tone and style even though they have branched out a little bit in trying to tell different types of stories right you know the guardians of the galaxy movies are different types of movies than the the avengers movie or the the doctor strange movie etc etc the ant-man movies are very distinctively different in their own way dc has decided they're just not going to have a coherent cinematic universe and they're going to have movies which exist all on their own of totally different types of tone the way like i mean joker is much more like dark knight right it's sort of out of continuity it's so its own thing its own tone has nothing to do with anything they now have three different jokers all of whom are wildly different from one another right the heath ledger the jared leto and the uh joaquin phoenix and birds of prey comes it is a i think it is hurt by comparisons to uh to deadpool it's so much better than the original deadpool it is smarter the whole deadpool movie just gets by on smark and this has actual like humor in it a real plot in it uh there's a totally interesting organic story going on in this movie which is that so harley quinn has broken up with the joker not quite realizing that what this means is that all of these people who hate her now that she's not his girlfriend feel like oh now i can finally go kill that broad who i hate and so she is on the run from all these people and then sort of accidentally gets caught up in these other two plots that are happening where there's a diamond that's been stolen and then the huntress is coming back to exact vengeance upon a mob family who killed her family and all of these things weave and intersect until we wind up with our main characters all together and throughout you get a well-told story that is also got the kind of bizarre violence of an itchy and scratchy cartoon and it all works and i can't believe it didn't work for you sonny i i love the hell out of it and i thought it was no it just it didn't
Sonny00:50:22work for me entirely there again there are moments that work i i i will be honest i i would have much preferred this just to be a harley quinn movie um because i i find her to be more entertaining to watch than anybody else that's in that movie i mean rosie perez is like 10 years too old for
JVL00:50:41that role um rosie prez is in fact 10 years she's she's just not she's just
Sonny00:50:45not she's not good in that um uh and and again i like i couldn't stand the actress who played the pickpocket i but i i don't think it's her fault i think she's just a bad character like that the kind of like snotty punk kid um short round you know i i just i i don't yeah no she's short round that's not it's not
JVL00:51:02the best character no but at least you call him dr jones lady but she's a in her own way i don't know i loved i love the dinah lance reimagining i really i really liked journey smollett or whatever her name is i don't know she's great no i
Sonny00:51:19believe she's his sister i didn't uh i didn't like her actually and i i like i thought the the i couldn't tell i don't know as somebody who doesn't know anything about black canary i i the the reveal at the end i couldn't tell if it was like too obvious or
JVL00:51:35not well set up enough it was set up totally no we all anybody who's sitting in that movie knows that she's black canary from the very minute she shows up this would have no effect
Vic00:51:46on me because i'm not a dc guy i i like none of this would matter to me i don't know i just uh
Sonny00:51:51i i didn't i didn't care for large portions of it i again the the things i thought worked the best was ewan mcgregor being very very hammy that's great uh and the uh and and margot robia as a harley quinn um but uh yeah i just uh i loved it all and you know what the ultimate i will say it also died in my theater which was like 90 percent empty that's interesting the
JVL00:52:19the other thing about it is that as i mean this movie is like captain marvel a very political project but unlike captain marvel which was an a ham-handed paint by numbers piece of cardboard like with the most obvious politics ever in like insulting in its own way we talked about this right the idea like the women are only slogans like there is a this is a very self-consciously feminist movie but it's a feminist movie that is about something and the something it is about is toxic masculinity which is a real thing and it is a thing which is oversold often because often the term toxic masculinity is used as a catch-all for just men and that's that's wrong but if you if you read our political philosopher friend Harvey Mansfield who wrote a great book on manliness it is absolutely true throughout all time and space that manliness is you know at best half good and half bad right manliness gets you firefighters who rush into a burning building and it gets you Genghis Khan right
Sonny00:53:31I mean these are both they're they're flip sides of the same the same coin.
JVL00:53:34And lurking off screen in birds of prey is Batman right I mean her little hyena is named Bruce which is a funny little thing which is the good manliness.
Sonny00:53:45Was that actually a funny little thing I thought that was dumb.
JVL00:53:47I thought it was hysterical the idea that that Harley Quinn has a pet dog whose name is whose name is Bruce is hysterical.
Sonny00:53:54It's not.
JVL00:53:55And and we see what the bad manliness is and there is something which we can talk about off air because I'm not going to touch this with a 10-foot pole but there is something something deeply deeply subversive politically going on with the Roman and Zaz characters.
Sonny00:54:15Well so this is one deeply subversive yeah yeah yeah so JVL is hinting that they are played as kind of a homoerotic pairing here right is that what you're is that what you're hinting at.
JVL00:54:28I don't even know if I want to voice any of this because it's so dangerous but it is a
Sonny00:54:34there were rumors that the reshoots involved changing that relationship a bit and changing exactly what it was that Roman Sionis was going after with the diamond so there people can look that up if they want but there was the the it's funny how it plays on the screen after the reshoots you get a sense of where they were going with it and and it is not at all shocking that they they decided that this was too much of a political minefield to traverse into
JVL00:55:08all of it just to say that I this is a movie with feminist politics but it is not a political movie and the politics of the movie are interesting and interestingly portrayed portrayed this is this is why actually I'm hard this is why we hated well certainly why I hated Captain Marvel is not because it was a feminist movie but it was like a terrible feminist movie and Birds of Prey is not Birds of Prey is great it's interesting it's complicated uh it's got some
Vic00:55:37subversiveness in it for the for the the masses if you will who might be disappointed that I didn't see it the good news is I have my quadrant calculator right here so I'm going to ask you about each of these uh parts of the quadrant and then I will calculate it after okay first question
Sonny00:55:55to you guys duration just under two hours sonny is that right yeah it's an hour 50 minutes okay
JVL00:56:03easy to understand if you can understand the plot of your typical Quentin Tarantino movie because this has a little I mean you know there's a lot of time shifting and flash forward and flashback you know what let's let's say medium for you medium for me okay all right uh violence the violence is fantastic lots of violence is fan not just but not just a lot of it but it's funny it's inventive it's great uh okay and then and nudity I'm afraid there's no nudity okay hold on let me calculate it now
Vic00:56:36oh you can do that it's like jeopardy is that like jeopardy I'm gonna say like you have a tic-tac-toe
JVL00:56:42I was actually thinking about the sound that the frinkinator makes oh yes that one too okay
Vic00:56:47gambletron 2000 uh the answer is b plus yay okay uh I would say uh so Margot Robbie can I ask hold
JVL00:56:57on what has happened here that I am now the guy who loves every movie we see I don't know what's
Vic00:57:02bad boys too I love 1917 you're on a streak you're on a streak yes yeah so a little bit that's true um okay well I don't know we'll see what happens on the next episode wait uh Margot Robbie what
Sonny00:57:15was the final score from Victor b plus oh b plus that's what cinema score plus it would have been
Vic00:57:21better if literally the cinema score I did not know that Sonny I swear to you I did not know it that's amazing it would have gotten a plus if it was Margot Robbie and Wolf of Wall Street that image burned into my brain the one where she's you know yelling in the kitchen that's okay uh corrections shout outs uh I have two uh one is to listener on twitter goshy joshy who actually created a a movie a Vic Mattis movie quadrant chart now I don't understand charts and diagrams and math in general but it looked good did you get Charles Lehman into I had to sort of extrapolate uh and the other shout out of course is to our producer Paul Crookston once again helping figure out all the various quirks that's the sound effect of Sonny clapping with his hands thank you well Sonny on another
Sonny00:58:12with his hands what else is he gonna clap what else am I gonna clap with what do you
Vic00:58:16think it's twerking no I'm just saying the sound effect he's on a laptop and there's a sound effect like that people get nervous okay that's all the time we're giving to this episode questions comments complaints compliments tweet us @SonnyBunch @VictorinoMattis again be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes Google Play and Stitcher just type in Sub-Beacon at a podcast we're there leave a review tell your friends until next time anything nothing I gotta get on the road okay good really quickly I just wanted to ask Sonny
Sonny00:58:54what's the weather like over there it's been raining all week which is annoying it really
Vic00:58:58surprises me I thought in Dallas it's always sunny in Dallas
JVL00:59:01oh oh why couldn't you have moved to Philly I'm sure it's fine

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