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#55. Parasite, Capitalism, and Cosplay with Sonny

2020-02-27 · 52:58

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The Best Picture winner finally gets its hearing, and Parasite divides them along familiar lines. Sonny found the first half — the Kim family conning their way into the Park household one job at a time — deeply entertaining, something close to The Sting, but says the film curdles once the ex-housekeeper's husband turns up in the bunker and it becomes a didactic hammer-over-the-head parable, which is why he still prefers Snowpiercer; he can't get worked up about the Oscar because he neither hates nor loves it, and argues the most interesting thing in the picture is that the wealthy family does nothing wrong while the poor family are liars, thieves and eventually murderers. JVL counters that the movie has been massively misread and poses the question the title demands: who is the host? His answer is the house itself — a machine of capital that warps everyone inside it and keeps manufacturing new Parks and new Kims, whether the owners are Korean or German. He runs the whole Bong Joon-ho filmography to support it (Snowpiercer's fake war and child-powered engine, Tilda Swinton modeling Mason on Gaddafi, Hitler and Thatcher; Okja's genetically modified pig; The Host's lobotomizing American military), calls Bong the Korean Spielberg with four of the country's hundred highest-grossing films at fifty, and floats a theory that only a liberal democracy where a fifth of the population lives fifteen miles from certain death could produce such class-obsessed cinema — living beside North Korea being less like living beside Scarface than beside the Manson family. Producer Paul Crookston, dragged in as the show's Korea expert and on his fourth viewing, endorses the esoteric reading and notes that Bong's viral "we all live in the same country, capitalism" line was actually the most left-wing thing he said all press tour, sounding otherwise more like Arthur Brooks. Vic gives it a straight A+ on the quadrant — plot easy, two hours twelve but briskly paced, "blunt trauma" for violence, no nudity but one very touching sofa scene — compares it to The Talented Mr. Ripley, admits his wife had to explain the peach-fuzz and fumigation business to him, and offers the perspective none of them have by recounting his teenage job under Mr. and Mrs. Yim at a Hallmark store in Toms River, where he despised Mylar balloons and stole coconut clusters from behind the display case, "because I'm a parasite myself." Box office is thin gruel — Sonic the Hedgehog holding at $26.3 million, Call of the Wild at $24.8 million (Sonny: not terrible once you accept it's an animated movie, though the dog moves like a cartoon and Harrison Ford barely appears until the last forty minutes, his voiceover about as energetic as his Blade Runner one), Birds of Prey down to $7 million and unlikely to clear $85 million, while Bad Boys for Life sails past $200 million domestic. Before all that: Sonny reports on the VFW red-carpet premiere in Dallas, where a very tall listener turned up in a captain's hat holding a cocktail glass, giving him his first-ever cosplayer; JVL is giddy about a one-night Inception tenth-anniversary Atmos screening, which detours into an extended argument that Snow Job, Gung Ho, Airborne and Torpedo were the apex of G.I. Joe, and Vic's confession that he ruined a Storm Shadow's resale value with a black paint pen; and there is a full accounting of Fat Tuesday, with JVL downing filet mignon, two-thirds of a sourdough loaf, two pints of Ben and Jerry's and a bag of popcorn to stay awake for a debate, and Vic putting away twenty McNuggets for $8.37 before bringing Shake Shack home. For Lent, JVL surrenders popcorn and powdered cheese, Vic surrenders Civilization, and they close by plugging their live Q&A at Georgetown, which JVL intends to attend in a full complement of team gear and a foam finger.

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Vic00:00:00Sub-Beacon, a podcast on movies and pop culture hosted by Sonny Bunch, Jonathan V. Last, just a reminder, the Sub-Beacon is available on iTunes, Google Play and Stitcher. Look at our podcast and search for Sub-Beacon. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends and leave a review. I just read this morning a wonderful review, five stars, entitled Family by Dylan Paul T. And he says, Sonny Bunch is the favorite child, the brother you live in the shadow of, the man who is always successful, dot, dot, dot. And right, JVL is the oldest son. Cynical and resentful of the genius of his amazing brother, Victorino, well, you got to love him. He's the baby. I'll accept that. Yeah. Sounds good. You like that? Okay. Gentlemen, how are we? Sonny, welcome back and thank you for not typing.
Sonny00:01:16Well, we'll see. I might have to effort some things as the show goes along, but I can't. I will try not to. I will try not to type this time.
Vic00:01:26Yes. Thank you. And your sound quality. Is supposed to be better on this episode. But of course, for us here, it sounds like air traffic control.
Sonny00:01:34Yeah. I well, I just got you are on approach to tower.
JVL00:01:38You have the ball. Call the ball.
Sonny00:01:40I just got a I just got a new iPhone and I got the iPhone 11, the cheapest version, the cheapest version of the iPhone 11, because I don't need three cameras. Two is enough, apparently.
JVL00:01:53Okay, wrong. You do need the third camera if you have children and you love them.
Sonny00:01:57I don't love my children. So it's fine. The I know it was it's one of these things where, like, you know, that the that Apple has screwed you by taking away the headphone jack in the new phones. And you don't really realize it until you get to the podcast studio and you're scrambling around for wireless headphones because you don't have anything that will plug into their dumb their dumb headphone jack power jack. Yeah. There's a lot of terrible.
Vic00:02:29There's a lot of terrible things, though, about these new computers. For example, there's no more CD-ROM drive. And I can't put in my, you know, when I want to download my new game, Duke Nukem, I got to put that CD. I don't trust the wireless. I'm not getting these things downloaded. All right. Why are we wasting time talking about computers? I wanted to be talking about Sonny's cosplaying. Yes. I want to ask Sonny. Yes. We want to ask Sonny about the rebeller screening of VFW. Talk to me. The red carpet premiere. That was very exciting. The what?
JVL00:03:02Pictures of the red carpet premiere. I saw you in front of a Fangoria background taking pictures, taking with like a celebrity and with a gentleman who looked quite a lot like you. I believe it was the Twitter handle Taj Butterworth Esquire.
Sonny00:03:15That's right. Very much. Very much a member of the mega thread. Yeah. No, it was fun. So the Dallas premiere was not last weekend, but the weekend before that. And it was a very as it happens. I just got pictures. I just got the high res pictures from that that evening. So maybe we can put those on Twitter at some point. Oh, you got that out there. But yeah, one of our one of our very loyal listeners showed up dressed in a in a sailor's cap and like a captain's hat and with a with a cocktail glass. And it was very funny. One of my co-workers literally like sees sees him come in because he's very tall, too. He's like six, six, three years old and sees him come in and like comes over to me. I was like, holy, there's somebody here who is dressed as your your Abby from Twitter. So I I now have my own cosplayer. It is it's a big it's a big, you know, feather in my cap. So, yeah, it was a it was fun. It was a lot of fun. The movie's fun. I hope people enjoy it. You can you can watch it on VOD now. It's not in theaters anymore. It's one of these. Day and date releases where it gets it gets a short run in theaters and then it is it lives on VOD. And then in a month it'll be on Blu-ray, I think, the end of near the end of March. So but I was it was it was a lot of fun. We met several several Sub-Beacon listeners showed up and I was I was very happy to meet them. Like I'm telling you guys, we can we can do a live show. We can do a live show.
Vic00:04:52I am so into it at the theater question when they met you in person. Did they seem like excited? Like, wow, I'm actually seeing you or were they let down when they saw you?
Sonny00:05:03I assume they were let down, but they were nice enough not to show it because I mean, I'm I am like a deeply boring person in person. So you look very nice.
JVL00:05:16But JVL, how are you? I am great. I'm super excited because on Sunday night I'm going to go see the best movie I will see in theaters all year.
Vic00:05:28All year long. It's coming out, right? It's coming out. Coming out. Do you want? Do you want to?
JVL00:05:34I guess you guys already know because I tell us I'm going to see Inception. Wow. The Alamo Drafthouse is doing one night only the Inception 10th anniversary on their Atmos
Vic00:05:45screen. 10 years already.
JVL00:05:4710 years already, Victorino, which means that as somebody who is six years old, 10 years ago would be 16 now. Thank you. And so I'm going to see it on the giant Atmos screen. I'm super duper excited. I have not seen Inception on a big screen since it came out. I've seen it a bunch of times at home and I'm just, I'm jazzed. I'm especially jazzed for the audio. The Atmos audio.
Vic00:06:14It took me, it took me several times to get to understand the movie. Yes. Yes.
Sonny00:06:19Inception definitely trips up on one of the quadrants. That's a tough one.
JVL00:06:25That's a little bit long. Oh, actually three. What? And nudity. Plot duration and nudity.
Vic00:06:31That's true. Although, man, great action. The action sequences are fantastic. Arctic Fortress. Who doesn't like Arctic Fortress? The inner, inner, inner sanctum and the understanding, again, the concept that time gets slower and slower. Wild. Wild stuff.
JVL00:06:42Let me tell you one thing that I thought the first time I saw that movie when they got to the Arctic scene, I thought, Sonny, this won't mean anything to you. Snow job. Snow job.
Vic00:06:54He's going to be on the snowmobile. It's going to be little rockets. Rockets right above the skis, because that works, by the way. And the backpack for the skis. I love that scene. He could snap on it, but you've got to get him on the thing.
JVL00:07:06So that, my humble opinion, that series of G.I. Joe action figures. That was the apex. Yes. It included gung ho, snow job, airborne, and torpedo. Oh, my gosh. The greatest series of G.I. Joe action figures ever.
Vic00:07:23I'm about to pass out. I'm about to pass out. Yeah, that was like the rubber sole revolver, the apex of G.I. Joe. Was Storm Shadow in that same time or no? Who were the Cobra villains later? I'm telling you.
JVL00:07:35I think Storm Shadow and Zartan were later. Yes. That's when the villains get really great.
Vic00:07:41Zartan, I felt like that kind of, you know, that was already getting a little too crazy.
JVL00:07:45He could change color and be kind of.
Vic00:07:46Do you ever put his mask on? Do you ever put the fake mask on to make him look like someone? Yeah. Yeah, it didn't really work. You know what? He still knew it was Zartan. Yes. I did. At Storm Shadow, I colored him black. You know what? Big mistake. I think it dropped in value. I think it dropped in value because he was white. Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry.
Sonny00:08:02Is that the one who, is that the ninja who wore the white outfit? Yes.
Vic00:08:07Yes.
Sonny00:08:08Why'd you color him black?
Vic00:08:09Well, I bought one of those paint pens that you can buy, a paint pen, and I just went crazy. Yeah.
JVL00:08:15Cars, everything. So the wrestler, CM Punk, one of my favorite wrestlers of all time, is a guy with a lot of tats. And one of his tats on his arm is he has the Storm Shadow snake eyes. That's very cool. I'm not sure if you'd have to get it. You'd have to have read the comic book to understand it. That is something that only people of our generation would get. Absolutely.
Vic00:08:37Did you have a nice, did you have a fat Tuesday? Did you do anything special before Lent?
JVL00:08:43Well, I was staying up late to watch a terrible Democratic presidential debate, after which I had to write 2,000 words. So I ate. What did you eat? Just to stay awake. What did I eat? I had dinner. I had filet mignon for dinner. Wow. I had. I had two thirds of a loaf of fresh baked sourdough bread because I thought if I'm going to cheat on carbs, I'm going to cheat. I'm going to get my money's worth. And then I had two pints of Ben and Jerry's and a bag of popcorn.
Sonny00:09:10Two pints of Ben and Jerry's?
JVL00:09:11Yeah. I was just fighting, just fighting to stay awake.
Vic00:09:15You're also pregnant. Okay. That is, that is definitely in the spirit of Fat Tuesday. And I had a similar experience. It was a very busy day because it was Tuesday and work and the debate and everything. So I didn't go out and I put it in. I put a picture on Twitter, $8.37 got me 20 McNuggets and a large fries. You can't beat that. You can't get a salad for that.
JVL00:09:39For $8.37, you cannot get a salad.
Vic00:09:42You can't get – maybe in Dallas, maybe in Dallas. That's half of a chopped salad. That's half of a chopped salad. Oh, yeah. You can get some, you know, a protein in there or if you get something extra, forget it. You're way over. That's double that. So I did that. But then that wasn't it. Did you get a shake with it or a soda? Wait for it, as the kids say.
JVL00:09:58I had a LaCroix. McDonald's sells LaCroix. Here in the office.
Vic00:10:03LaCroix.
JVL00:10:04Because, you know, LaCroix.
Vic00:10:05I had the LaCroix because, you know, because it's zero calories. So you can try to balance it with the RG, you know. But I have to tell you something because it's great for shtick. It's like, oh, I'll eat this McDonald's. It's crazy. I can't believe I did it. And I did it easily. You scarf it down, right? You don't feel well afterwards. And I love McDonald's. But I'm going to tell you right now, I did not feel well. Like you feel kind of sick. Did you feel a twinge? No, no. It was all in my gut. It was like, why did you do this? And then you're filled with this sort of like self-loathing. And then for dinner, I brought back home for the family Shake Shack. So from $8.37 to like $80.37, I personally had the Smoke Shack. But I was feeling so sick I didn't get the double stack. I just had one patty with the bacon.
JVL00:10:48But how did you get through your fast on Ash Wednesday? Oh, well, here we go.
Sonny00:10:52Question. Sonny, why are you guys talking about how much food you ate on a random day? Oh, my gosh. I don't understand.
JVL00:10:59Because you see, on Ash Wednesday, Sonny.
Vic00:11:00You will understand next year.
JVL00:11:04He'll be making his preparation. He'll be receiving it next year. It'll be so great. Because, you know, at the end of Lent, the end of 40 days, that's when you wind up getting received into the church, Sonny. Exactly.
Vic00:11:13The initiation.
JVL00:11:14I still don't think that's how it works. What are you giving up for Lent, Sonny? What's that? What are you giving up for Lent?
Sonny00:11:24I am giving up. I don't know. What are you? Can it be anything? Can I give up anything? Does it have to be something? Please continue.
Vic00:11:31Does it have to be something sinful? To answer your question, JVL, so on top of all that, I got a milkshake from Shake Shack, and they do these featured shakes. I don't know. And I just took the featured shake, and I actually thought, you know what? I'm not going to be able to get through this, and I may have issues because, you know, when you have that much intense dairy, you know what I'm saying. The flavor of the month was cookie butter. Yeah. What is cookie butter? I was, like, eating. So I was curious. That's why I got it. And they filled it up with whipped cream and some weird sort of, like, that brown sugar crystal thing on top. I'm doing it with my hand. It was good. And it was amazing. And I finished the whole thing, basically treating it as a dessert. And that's how I was able to get through Ash Wednesday, which is a day of fast. All I had was a tuna sandwich at lunch. No potato chips, just a tuna sandwich. Oh, yeah. Just like Christ. Just like Christ. Just like him. All he had was a tuna sandwich. You don't know what he had before he went to the car. While he was hanging up there. He had a big dinner the night before. Okay. You know it. Thank you. All right. That was him problem.
JVL00:12:39No script for that one. That just happened.
Vic00:12:41That just happened, my friends. And then I had, like, the Whole Foods, the beer-battered cod for dinner. So you had two meals on the day of fast. One was bigger than the other. And the dinner was bigger. Two meals. The two cannot be bigger than the one. And so I had a big, I had, like, three cod fillets because you have your two small meals cannot be bigger than your main meal. So my main meal just happened to be.
JVL00:13:09Everything you eat on Ash Wednesday is supposed to total to one small snack.
Vic00:13:16No, no, that's insane. That's insane.
JVL00:13:17Also, I read the USCCB guideline and you need food. Father Harrison and Father Sharapa will have to.
Vic00:13:24No, they're going to admit, chime in on this. No, they will chime in because I'm telling you. There is a line in there about eating food as needed for strength. And I'm in that category. Also, the category of mostly pregnant women, right? Before 12 and over 60. And I'm in that category now. You're actually closing in.
JVL00:13:40So did you give something up for Lent? I have.
Vic00:13:44What did you give up for Lent? Popcorn.
JVL00:13:47Wow. That is a big deal. That is a big deal. That is a big deal.
Vic00:13:49That's tough for me.
Sonny00:13:51My carbon mistress. So wait, you're giving up popcorn, but you're not. You didn't say anything about the powdered cheese. Are you just eating scoops of powder? Powdered cheese.
JVL00:13:59By the spoonful. Comes with it, right? I mean, if I'm not doing popcorn, my powdered cheesing take is going to shrink down to nothing.
Sonny00:14:05Well, why don't you just put it on other things?
JVL00:14:08Because I love the Lord. And I am denying myself to walk in his shoes.
Sonny00:14:14Wait, but are you denying yourself popcorn or powdered cheese?
JVL00:14:18Both.
Sonny00:14:20So you're doing two things for Lent.
JVL00:14:22Because I'm twice as virtuous as you.
Vic00:14:25I gave up civilization. That's a sin. Yeah, I gave up civilization. You know what that means? That's for reals. It is for reals. On Sundays. I go crazy on Sundays. But I actually felt a slight guilt. I'm not going to say a lot of guilt, but just like when I'm getting done. I get done with work, dinner, dishes. I go upstairs and I'm playing civilization and I can hear my family. Just they're interacting. They're talking to each other, laughing. And I'm like, and I'm upstairs. I'm like, I guess they're having a good time. I don't know because I got to take over. I got a sack of porridge. I got it. I got it. I got to get this granary done.
JVL00:14:58Granary is easy. It's those research labs.
Vic00:15:01Those are the worst. 23 turns. And so I decided I'm going to give it up because it is all about it's less me time and time for others. Victorino, a question for you about Lenten sacrifices.
JVL00:15:13Yes. Where are you on the Sunday thing?
Vic00:15:16Until. Because you ask different priests. I know.
JVL00:15:18I know. And you'll get different answers. You know who I myself have been told by actually by Cardinal Cupich and Cardinal McCaffrey. Eric and Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Bishop Tobin. They all say that it is fine to break your Lenten sacrifice on Sunday as if it's a little Easter. And I trust those guys. I thought Wuerl said you give up on Sundays is when you give it up.
Vic00:15:43It's not Lenten sacrifice. Only on Sundays. And six days a week. It's fine. You're only giving up on Sundays. I, for most of my life, have given up all straight through, including Sundays. And not until a couple of years ago. If you count it up, the 40 days does not include Sundays. But it does feel kind of weird to. You know, break a mini Easter.
JVL00:16:00It is. And I don't know. So maybe it's more of a celebration of the Lord to break it on Sunday.
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JVL00:17:28Oh, wow.
Vic00:17:30Speaking of which, that's a double transition. D plus. D plus. You should hear my opinion of that movie, which I didn't see. Over the weekend, Sonic the Hedgehog was once again at the top of the box office with $26.3 million, followed by the Call of the Wild with $24.8 million. I thought the Call of the Wild had the subtitle, Dog Finds His Way Home. Call of the Wild, Dog Finds His Way Home. I believe it's the same dog, which did not exist. And in third place was Birds of Prey. I'm not even going to read the rest of that Fantabulous headline. Okay, Birds of Prey.
JVL00:18:10You know what?
Vic00:18:10Just call it Harley Quinn. Yes. The Liberation? The Fantabulous Liberation? Just in third place was Harley Quinn. Harley Quinn with $7 million. Box office thoughts.
JVL00:18:20Sonny, I have a question for you. Sure. When you see how much money Sonic the Hedgehog has made, how much does that make you hate the world? On a scale of 1 to 100?
Sonny00:18:32I mean, I can't get that worked up about it, frankly. It's a kid's movie. Kids need something to watch, right? I don't know. I mean, it's... Come on.
Vic00:18:49Kids are still playing it, too.
Sonny00:18:52I can't hate it because I didn't go see it. I wasn't forced to go see it. And if nobody's forced... If nobody's forcing me to go see something, if I don't have to see it for work, then I can just pretend it doesn't exist. So, as long as I can pretend that movie doesn't exist, I'm happy.
JVL00:19:08I'm sorry. So, you move out to Texas and all of a sudden you just, like, stop hating for sport? Yeah. It's like I don't even know you anymore. I know.
Vic00:19:14I saw you tweet about politics the other day. What's going on? You're dying. You're dying to get back here.
Sonny00:19:18No. Well, I was just making fun of Bloomberg because that's the national pastime at this point. No, I mean, I don't know. So, the Birds of Prey is going to have trouble getting to $85 million. That's kind of a big story.
JVL00:19:35It sounds like so much money.
Sonny00:19:36Is that not good? It's not good. That's not good. Bad Boys for Life is going to pass $200 million domestic. I don't know that anyone really saw that. Like, I would say in the annals of, like, unnecessary remakes slash reboots slash franchise corpse picking, the success of Bad Boys compared to the failure... of, like, the Terminator movies or, like, basically, there were, like, 10 movies in a row that was, like, this is an unnecessary remake and an unnecessary sequel and then bombed. They all bombed. But this one is just tearing it up. I don't know. But because it's good. Well, yeah, it's fine. I mean, I don't know that it's, like, great or anything, but it's fine. And then, you know what's interesting is Brahms, the boy, is the latest in a series of horror movies. Is that Blumhouse? Horror, yeah. No, I don't think it is. I think it was STX. But it's the latest in a series of cheap horror movies that have, like, really kind of spectacularly failed at the box office. It grossed under $6 million. Like, it was a cheap movie to make, but they still cost $20 to $30 million to advertise at the least.
Vic00:20:48It's no Case of La Llorona or whatever that movie was. The Curse of La Llorona. Case of My Sharona. Yeah, The Curse. The Curse of My Sharona. Yeah. The One-Hit Wonder.
Sonny00:20:59I don't know. I mean, I think this weekend is going to be a very good weekend for horror movies. I think The Invisible Man is probably going to do pretty well.
Vic00:21:07When does James Bond come out?
Sonny00:21:08James Bond comes out in two or three weeks, I think. I don't know. Yeah. Everyone's talking about it.
Vic00:21:14You saw it already. I haven't seen it. No, you didn't see it yet. No, I haven't seen it.
Sonny00:21:17I saw you tweeting about it. I honestly have no interest in seeing it. It's two hours and 43 minutes. Like, who's got time for that? James, you've seen The Invisible Man? I'm fully invested in it. James Bond movie should be 110 minutes.
JVL00:21:32Sonny, have you seen Invisible Man?
Sonny00:21:33I've not. I've not yet. Okay. So, I don't know if it's good.
JVL00:21:37It would be as good as The Elizabeth Shue Invisible Man.
Vic00:21:40Was that with Kevin Bacon? Yes. That was called Hollow Man. That wasn't called Hollow Man. Hollow Man. They called it Hollow Man.
JVL00:21:45Not Invisible Man, but it was The Invisible Man. It was The Invisible Man. Paul Verhoeven, no?
Sonny00:21:50It was Paul Verhoeven.
Vic00:21:51Yeah. I love, you know, Elizabeth Shue. I just saw her, by the way, in Death Wish, the remake. Right? Yeah. She's Bruce Willis' wife. She still looks amazing. She really does. I don't know how much work she had done. It looks like, but I like the idea that maybe she had no work done and she had just naturally not aged or just aged in a wonderful way.
JVL00:22:12What I was going to say is that I find her underrated as an actress. But sure, she looks good, too. I like they're leaving Las Vegas. Didn't she get a nomination for that? I don't know.
Vic00:22:25There were some interesting scenes. I was going to make a comment about Call of the Wild. I read the review in Variety that they make fun of everyone. They said everyone is getting too worked up over the CGI dog. First of all, are there no more dogs that can act?
JVL00:22:42They're putting dogs out of work. They're acting dogs out there.
Vic00:22:46Old Yeller, Benji. I mean, you know, Beethoven. Who else? The one from, you know, the one with Tom Hanks. Turner and Hooch. Turner and Hooch. Come on. You think these dogs can't act? I mean, which way but loose?
JVL00:22:59Oh, the orangutan? We're going to have CGI orangutans now?
Vic00:23:03All animals are going to have CGI orangutans now? What's next? You know what they said in the review? They said that Harrison Ford saves it. He is what keeps the movie going. And he's so good. And everyone's like, oh, because he even interacts well with the CGI. And I said, of course he interacts well with CGI. You know, he did Star Wars with Princess Leia. Oof. I love the delay. He's waiting. I said, oh, wait until he hears this one.
Sonny00:23:30No, I mean, I actually did see Call of the Wild. And Call of the Wild is not a great movie, but it's also not a terrible movie. And once you accept the fact that it is basically an animated movie, it is less annoying. But the dog is super distracting because it just is not real and it does not look real and it does not move real. It moves like a cartoon. It's also a very weird movie because it's being advertised as like Harrison Ford and the dog. But Harrison Ford isn't really in the movie until the last 40 minutes or so. I mean, it's like a boy, right?
Vic00:24:04There's a boy.
Sonny00:24:04He does the voiceover. He does a voiceover that's about as energetic as his Blade Runner voiceover. If you've ever seen the theatrical cut of Blade Runner. And it's kind of amusing. But then he shows up like in the last 40 minutes and it's like, OK, Harrison Ford and his dog friend.
Vic00:24:24Oh, I see. You know what? I'm going to wait till they come. I'm going to wait till they come out with a book on it. And then I'll read the book.
Sonny00:24:29You want to read the adaptation, the tie-in?
Vic00:24:31The adaptation of this movie that they just invent. They made up.
Sonny00:24:34The novelization of Call of the Wild.
Vic00:24:36Yes. They should make a novelization of this movie called Call of the Wild. That's what I'm saying. OK. But you know what other movie is in the news or is in the news last week was Parasite. And I'm not talking about the Oscars. I'm talking about because we don't get into politics. But, of course, the president mentioned it because he said he couldn't believe he won best picture. We are going to talk about Parasite today. Sonny. Parasite.
Sonny00:25:02So Parasite is the 2020 best picture winner at the Oscars. It is from the director Bong Joon-ho. I can't pronounce his name. I've never been able to pronounce his name. You don't have to sing it. You say his name. I'm going to get it wrong every time. Bong.
JVL00:25:20Can we just agree as a group right now what we're going to refer to him as so that we can all mispronounce or use the same mispronunciation?
Vic00:25:27You know, I think Paul Crookson, our producer, is killing himself here because he's a Korea expert. How do we pronounce his name? Is it Bong Joon-ho? Bong Joon-ho.
JVL00:25:39Bong Joon-ho. Thank you, Paul. Bong is his last name. It's his family name. So you can just call him Bong. Okay. Which is easy, right? Thank you. Thank you. Okay, good.
Sonny00:25:47Okay, so this is the latest movie from director Bong, which is how I'm going to call him from now on. Director Bong. James Bong. I am a fan of several of his movies, especially Snowpiercer, which I love as a great kind of high concept action movie. And Parasite has a lot of similar themes to it. So Parasite is about a family of grifters in South Korea who worm their way into the good graces of an upper class Korean family. He becomes a tutor for the teenage daughter, his sister becomes an art therapist for the little boy of the family. The mother of the family becomes the cook/maid/housekeeper and the father becomes the driver. And in order to take these jobs, they basically have to like get rid of the people who worked there previously. So it's basically a, it's kind of a two-part movie. The first part is about the grift, and I find this, I found this to be deeply entertaining and deeply amusing and kind of in the way a lot of like, not quite screwball comedies, but like very, you know, it's kind of like The Sting or something, right? It's like, it's this family of con men who are like pulling one over on the family. And then there's a big shift in, at about the midway point of the film. And so I guess, spoilers, spoilers from here on out. It turns out that the maid who they have dispossessed out of her job, her husband lives in the basement of this house in like a panic room slash bomb shelter. And he lives there because he's trying to escape creditors from North Korea, I think. It wasn't 100% clear to me why he was down there. Loan sharks of some sort. Loan sharks. Yeah, thank you. The triad. Yeah, something, I don't know. Shady Korean person wants him dead, so he has to hide.
Vic00:28:00Fighting times.
Sonny00:28:01He has to hide. So then it turns into a real parable about class struggle that like the, you know, capitalism is just a bucket of crabs and we're all trying to drag each other down for the scraps or whatever. I found the second half to be much less entertaining, not because of the message. As an example, the message movie or the message movie part of Parasite is much more didactic and much more like hammer over the head. This is, you know, class is bad. The the the richer oppressing the poor for their own gain, blah, blah. And like that movie is 100 times more entertaining because it it just kind of keeps the momentum of what it actually is, which is an action movie going. This movie, it shifts from the like kind of the the grifter comedy of manners type movies. I don't even know really how to describe the last 30 minutes of this film, but it doesn't it doesn't exactly work for me. Now, look, Parasite's fine. I actually have a hard time getting too worked up about it winning Best Picture because I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I just don't love it either. And yeah, I don't know.
Vic00:29:19I was deserving.
Sonny00:29:20Yeah, I'm I'm curious to get JVL's take on this movie because I feel like I wanted I have a couple of questions.
Vic00:29:25First one, what was more deserving? Deserving of the Oscar, you think Parasite or Green Book? Green Book. Yes. OK. Second question is that you don't have to answer. I think we have a problem with the volume. He's not responding. OK, what's happened? Oh, wait, he's back again. I didn't know. Don't worry. I answered for you. The second question is what drugs? She's talking about drugs. Does she want drugs? Is she fantasizing about having drugs or is she on drugs? The wife.
Sonny00:29:51What drugs? What are you talking about?
Vic00:29:53Give me drugs. The wife in Parasite. She says, give me the drug. I want the answer.
JVL00:29:57Oh, Paul. I'm pretty sure they're role playing. He's like, oh, I got these dirty panties. And then she's like, give me drugs. I think they're going to put that on a loop. They're saying dirty panties. Thank you.
Vic00:30:07They're role playing like lower class. OK, but but earlier on, I mean, she's passed out like on the table, you know, when they have to wake her up. So she's on something. And I figured she was on some sort of sedative or something that keeps her calm. JVL. That's a nice transition. Yeah, that was better.
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Vic00:32:37I cannot believe we were just talking about Casino Royale, which was on TV the other day. Last night I was watching part of it. And she's fantastic. She just is. And in the dreamers. JVL, what did you think, as Sonny was wanting to know and I want to know, we both want to know, we all want to know. What did you think about? What did you make of Parasite?
JVL00:32:57So I think that there has been a massive misreading of this movie. So the title of the movie is Parasite. I would like to ask you two gentlemen, who is the host?
Sonny00:33:12That's right. That's right. The host is the people and the parasite is the capitalist system that preys upon them.
Vic00:33:20Victorino? Kate, my wife, was saying that she says, who is the parasite of whom? She says, who are the parasites? She was so fascinated by this movie because, number one, she came in with zero expectations and zero desire to actually see the movie. So she just wanted to keep me company while I watched it. And then she got totally glued in because she had no idea it would be like this. Neither did I, frankly. The second part, I thought, was shocking. And she was like, for example, the wife is a parasite to the husband because she needs that sort of the lifestyle and the riches and things like that. I don't personally have any deep thoughts on this because that's not within the quadrant, that question. That's a hard one. Let me solve it for you. Answer. The host is actually the house.
JVL00:34:05And this is a movie literally about capital and the way in which capital and the existence of capital and then the presence of inequality in the possession of capital winds up warping humanity. And so the parasites wind up being the people who literally are secreted away in the basement of the house in order to live. And the house keeps going and it keeps creating new classes of parks. And new classes of Kims, no matter what. And it doesn't matter if it's the parks who own the house or the Germans who own the house at the end. The house is the system and the system keeps going no matter what. And I find this. So I find this deeply interesting, mostly within the context of Bong himself and his oeuvre and then what it says about South Korea itself. Because if you look through the rest of Bong's oeuvre, you have to. So I have to say, when I first read about Parasite three or four months ago, I thought to myself, wow, that's funny. It sounds like the Korean Snowpiercer without having any idea that Bong had directed both of them. And then you go back and you get Snowpiercer, which has a very similar type of set of ideas that he is playing with it. Although, honestly, I think it's more on the nose. So the guards, weapons and Snowpiercer have no ammunition. The whole war is fake and staged. In order to reduce the population on the train, the poor children are being used to power the engine and the whole ecosystem is a lie. Tilda Swinton.
Vic00:35:36Well, I hadn't seen that movie, but well, I guess I'll check it out now.
JVL00:35:39So Tilda Swinton, who plays the like the Mason, I think is her character, right? She she is the politician who is the head of the first class section of the train. And she says that she modeled her character on. Are you ready? Moma Gaddafi. Adolf Hitler and Margaret Thatcher. Wow. You then have his other his other movies.
Vic00:36:06That order for her, I'm sure.
JVL00:36:07Okja Akja. How do you pronounce that ball? Which is a movie about a genetically modified pig, which is about corporations genetically modifying animals in order to profit from them and how this winds up oppressing real people and denying the dignity of the animals. And then his other his other his what was at the time the highest grossing movie in all of Korean cinema history, The Host. You could think of it as a prequel to The Parent, which if I could give a quick plot summary of an American military officer in Korea orders his local assistant to put chemicals into a river. The chemicals create a monster which terrorizes the locals. The U.S. military says that they have to quarantine the town where this is happening because the creature is also spreading a virus. But this is a lie. And when one of the locals finds out that the U.S. government is lying to him, they lobotomize him like they literally stick a needle in his head so that he can't remember anything. The monster literally swallows a young Korean homeless boy alive. And at the end of the movie, a mob of locals using Molotov cocktails attacks and kills the monster that was created by the U.S. military. So what I'm saying is that this guy who is essentially in terms of his success in Korean cinema, he is the Korean Spielberg. He's he owns he's only 50 years old and he already owns four of the top hundred grossing movies of all time. And in South Korea and he so he's directing these what are by South Korean standards insanely popular movies, but which by any objective standards are like really very class conscious movies that basically sound like they would only find purchase in a society that's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. And I think that this is explicable only by what South Korea is, which I'm so glad you're here, Paul. Because I'm fascinated by how the psychology of South Korea works because never before in history have you had a liberal democracy where 20% of the population lives 15 miles away from certain death and the North Korea, South Korea paradigm, the only thing I can liken it to is East and West Berlin, except that in that case, it was like living next to Scarface and this is like living next to the Manson family. How does a society go through life every day knowing that if the guy right over there just has a bad day, everybody dies? That's weird. And you can see how it would wind up resulting in a culture that embraces movies like this.
Sonny00:38:45But what's interesting about this is how none of this translates into a martial or military paradigm for Bong. It's all about capitalism, right? And so during the interviews, during the press tour for this movie, he said he was heartened by the reaction around the world to this movie because it turns out we all live in the same country. It's the country of capitalism. And I'm just like, yeah, OK, sure.
JVL00:39:15The capitalists aren't the ones trying to kill you and yours, buddy.
Sonny00:39:18Here's maybe one thing that this movie is also teaching us is it's about the importance of DLCs. I'm a big believer in this movie. So I think this movie is more interesting. Parasite is more interesting in certain ways than Snowpiercer or Okja or some of these other movies because it is actually more subtle. And I think the villains and the heroes are more difficult to discern, right? The wealthy family does nothing wrong in this film. The wealthy family actually does nothing wrong in this film. You know, yes, they talk about the help. I'm telling you. They talk about the help. It's the house. Right, right, right. But again, leaving aside your esoteric reading of the systems in place, you know, the wealthy family does actually nothing wrong in this movie. Like, yes, they say some, like, kind of mean things about the father in particular. And about how he has the smell of poverty about him. But it's not like they say this to his face. It's not like they are doing it to insult him. They say it when this person has broken into their home and is hiding under their coffee table.
Vic00:40:42And making a mess.
Sonny00:40:43And making a mess.
Vic00:40:44Drinking their very expensive whiskey.
Sonny00:40:45Making a mess. Drinking all of their fancy booze. I mean, he's.
Vic00:40:48You can see that she's drinking from the bottle of Patron.
Sonny00:40:50I mean, the poor family is, like, is obviously the villain here. I mean, they are bad people. They're liars. They're thieves. They steal. They make a mess of things. And then they commit murder. And I, like, there's no real way to read this movie as the wealthy family being in the wrong at any point. Which I find to be the most interesting thing about the picture. But anyway, like, what I was saying is that, like, I think you're right, JVL, insofar as there is something, there's an obvious, like, leftist streak through Bong's work that doesn't really track in any way to, as far as I can tell, you know, the actual existential threat that South Koreans face, which is North Korea.
JVL00:41:45Yeah, well, and this is, but this is actually in a weird way, you would kind of expect from a liberal democracy, right? What good would turning, martial or nationalistic against North Korea work? Because again, if North Korea was China, which is to say a semi-rational entity, then you could say, okay, then you can see why maybe they would react the way like Taiwan does or, you know, they become fiercely independent. But when you're, when you're next to essentially a madman, random death, where nothing you do enters into the game theory, the calculations that he makes at all, that actually is a weird form of power. Powerlessness, because you have no way to affect what your future looks like that I can see why that sort of powerlessness would then make you turn inward and obsess about the problems within your own house.
Vic00:42:43Instead, I, I, I didn't buy, by the way, you were talking about the smell. I didn't buy that premise about, you know, the, the, the smell of the port. The only true thing is that old people smell. That's the only thing that's true. Thank you.
JVL00:42:57Was this a transition to Knights of Columbus time?
Vic00:43:00We all smell like, we all smell like beer and alcohol in that bar, including myself.
Sonny00:43:06I, uh, I assume I, I, I mean, I thought the smell was from like the, the, like, uh, yeah,
Vic00:43:11the basement and the detergents and the sewage. Yes, the pesticide. That's what my wife, it was, I can't, I can't, I can't almost always now. I cannot see movies alone. I need the help of my wife to explain the movies to me. And she was telling me about, well, what smell? What are you talking about? She remember the scene with her. The, the, the, the fumigation. Oh, right. I say, thank you. So that helps me through it.
JVL00:43:31Some of these movies are very hard. Paul, you keep nodding over there. Can we bring you in since you know about South Korea? Can you be our Gelman and talk about this? He's only, he's only Gelman.
Vic00:43:39Great. He's our Gelman. Uh, I think Paul has seen it how many times now? Come on, admit it. Four times. Paul has seen Parasite four times.
JVL00:43:47Uh, including when it first came out. I went to the E Street Cinema down in, in downtown. Saw it with Connor Beck. Okay. Thank you. But, but no. Um, so I've dragged. So many friends to see this movie. So, um, I've obviously, uh, really enjoyed it. Um, one thing that I think is really important, JVL, I really like your esoteric reading, um, for a lot of reasons. One being the fact that the feeling of trappedness for like a regular South Korean is like a million times what we can imagine. So there's so many movies in history, like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, for instance, that play on this feeling of, um, the system is constraining me and I want to break from it. Even though Ferris Bueller was living in, you know, quite a free system compared to, you know, most people in history, South Koreans live in a system that is about a hundred times more confined than the life that Ferris Bueller was living. I mean, the education system, the economy, uh, the job market, everything is, is so much more confining than what we're used to in America. And you throw North Korea on top of that and you have people who are, uh, kind of, you know, paranoid is not quite the right word, but there's this anxiety about the constraints that are on them. Um, and they're, they're really struggling to like come to terms with it. And capitalism is kind of an easy scapegoat in some ways. I think what's interesting, you know, you mentioned Bong, people made a meme out of, uh, Bong saying, you know, we all live under capitalism. What's funny is, I mean, I've read tons of interviews with the guy and that was the most left wing sounding thing that he said in a lot of these interviews. He sounds almost like, um, Arthur Brooks or something. He's like, you know, I think people, you know, I really want my movie to help people understand each other better. You know, I'm not calling for some kind of revolution. What I really think we need in our society is, you know, greater understanding for different kinds of people. You know, he sounds like a neoliberal sort of like, I just want people to be nicer kind of a thing, which is interesting. I think he uses constructs of like Marxian thought as a jumping off point kind of for his cinematography. Cinematic visions, not so much like as an agenda.
Vic00:46:00Okay.
JVL00:46:02I gave this movie an A plus plot.
Vic00:46:06Very easy. Oh my gosh. You know, they took over for these other people, but wait, there's somebody in the basement. That's what you get. Okay. Duration a little on the long side, two hours and 12 minutes, but I thought it was very well paced. I just thought it just kept on moving, you know, violence. I got two words for you. Blunt trauma. Terrible. Okay. Awful. Nudity. There was not technically any nudity, but there's a great scene on the sofa that was very touching. Yes, JVL was very touching. Yojong Jo is her name.
JVL00:46:35Sonny, I'm doing it right in front of the camera for you.
Vic00:46:37I'd like a reaction. He can't see that. Okay. Yojong Jo, she's a wonderful actress. She was in an arthouse movie called, I was telling this to Paul because he'd met a concubine, but I kept on saying it was called The Naked Concubine, but it's not called The Naked Concubine. It's just called Concubine. It's kind of redundant anyway. I just, and I just saw that movie on Dailymotion. Uh, it's a, it's, it's, it's a great movie.
JVL00:46:59Uh, and what's that actress's name again?
Vic00:47:01Young, Yojong Jo. And she's, she's now like 40, which is crazy because she looked great. Um, anyway, but I agree. Yes. It's crazy. 40 year old women can be attractive. Besides her, besides my wife. Um, uh, the doorbell, I mean, that really is that sort of the turning point. I always, I was reminded of the talented Mr. Ripley, you know what I mean? I mean, this is just a bunch of, uh, con artists trying to get, and of course you're trying to calm the... A con artist already living there and that it wasn't enough for them because they're driven by greed. They couldn't get two family members to be working there and just help their lives get a little bit better. Three is not enough. No, get the whole family in there. Um, I would, if I had to choose which one to be, I would be the English tutor. I think that's how I would go about it. That's my, I, I don't, dealing with kids that might have issues is like, you don't know what the kid, she did obviously very well with the kid, but I don't know how I would do with the, the, the little kid that art, right? Um, house kids. Keeping, it's a lot going on over there. Okay. It's a lot going on. Uh, driving. No way. I am not driving in Seoul. Uh, okay. That, that's, that's what I had. I did want to add this. I do bring a perspective that none of you have about this movie, which is I myself worked for Koreans. I once worked, uh, at a Hallmark store in Tom's River that were run by Mr. And Mrs. Yim. Uh, and they were a husband and wife, uh, Korean store owners, uh, and, uh, they, they were a, they were hard workers. And, and then when they weren't looking, I would steal the coconut clusters from behind the display case because, you know, cause I'm a parasite myself. You know, I got it. I took the job just to get the free candy. What do you do at a Hallmark store?
JVL00:48:41Is it just, are you just handling checkout or is there a lot of stocking of cards?
Vic00:48:46Um, okay. First of all, people are terrible. As Sonny Bunch always says, nobody ever puts the cards back in the same place. I do. I think.
JVL00:48:55I am crazy about that. You take a card out. For those people who still buy cards, by the way.
Vic00:48:58You put the card exactly where you put it. Thank you. Thank you. People don't do this. A lot of people don't do this. You're very thoughtful, JVL. I would have appreciated you in my store. And so you play like the memory game because you're like trying to play. It's, it's the memory game. So where did this, and envelopes that don't match the cards. And I know where they keep it. That's always in the bottom. If you want to get the extra cards, there's always a little mini bin. Really? That's where the. You just pull it out. It comes out. It comes out. Yes. Interesting. I vacuumed. I checked people out. I got, I mean, I checked, I checked, excuse me. I, you know, handle the register. Yes. I handled the register, which I was very good at. And it, by the way, it never fails that when the, the thing turns red is always when there's a long line and then you got to replace the real vacuum. I put together the Hallmark Christmas display, the shelves and the whole thing. Yeah. So an actual manual labor. And the worst thing I hated, the thing I hated the most was Mylar balloons. Why did you hate them? Such a pain. Because, you know, it's just like, oh, I want to get the Heathcliff one and this other one and I got to put it in the tank and then I got to fill it up with the, and they got tied and then they want the, the ribbons with the frills and the whole thing there. But I have to tell you, you got one, once you got to, they were really tough at first, the Yims, but once you really got to know them and they, you got their, you know, you gained their trust or they, you know, then, then they shared more. And, and, and I remember Mr. Yim talking about how he studied business in Italy. And I mean, you know, these people have had, you know, a very, very good lives and you, you sort of, they came from one place to another. They probably traveled everywhere trying to make it, you know, trying to learn how to make it big and then trying in different places. So that's my, that's my, that's my little two cents on three. Sonny, you're still there. Good to see you. Hi. Okay. Do we have any more thoughts? No. Okay. Correction, shout outs, anything? Nope. No. Good. That is all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments, complaints, compliments. Tweet us at SonnyBunch. At Victorino Matus. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes, Google Play and Stitcher. Just type in Sub-Beacon at a podcast. We're there. Leave a review. Tell your friends. Until next time. Well, he's really checked out in this episode. We'll see you. I have two things. Tell me. Okay. One, JVL, are you ready for your big? Talk at Georgetown University next week.
JVL00:51:26I'm so excited.
Vic00:51:28I can't even tell you how excited I am.
JVL00:51:30Do I get to talk or do I just have to? You might just like the Sean Puffy combs to your Biggie Smalls.
Vic00:51:35That's exactly right. No. For those people who are in the D.C. area, I just want to let you know it's this Monday, March 2. 6 p.m. at Georgetown University. White Gravener Building 208. The two of us. White Gravener. White Gravener. Well, you know all the buildings on campus. This is going to be so much fun. I have a little shtick, but I don't have much, believe it or not. I was thinking, do I have to give the talk that I usually give at Collegiate Network and things? But in fact, the kid, Jacob, who is our handler there, says that he just wants to do Q&A. So think of it like the actor's studio. Is it just Q&A?
JVL00:52:11We don't have to give any talks at all?
Vic00:52:12Give him a couple remarks.
JVL00:52:13I think I'll give him some opening remark. But after that, I said just fire away. All right. So here's the deal. For real, for real. You and I are going to go over there together after work. OK. But we got to get there early because I want to go to the school store and I'm going to get myself a Georgetown. No, I'm going to buy a bunch of Georgetown gear and that's what I'm going to wear. I'm going to I'm going to be up there on stage with my Georgetown polo shirt and my Georgetown hoodie. My I'm going to even get if they have a foam finger, I'm going to get a foam finger and I'm just going to stay up on stage waving it around.
Sonny00:52:49Can you can you guys live stream this?
JVL00:52:51Because I really want to watch.
Sonny00:52:53It's going to be fantastic.
Vic00:52:55I'm sure it's fine.

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