#56. Hunters, Hoyas, and Hollywood Goes Viral
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The main course is Hunters, Amazon's Nazi-hunting series, and it lands with a thud. Sonny tapped out after two and a half hours of an eleven-hour show, bored rather than outraged, calling Al Pacino's scenery-chewing Bruce Wayne figure "really the only watchable thing in it" and Logan Lerman's lead "callow and annoying"; he waves off the Auschwitz Museum's charge that inventing atrocities aids Holocaust deniers, on the grounds that denial is a symptom of anti-Jewishness and not of bad television. Vic gave it a C and did think it was in bad taste, singling out the fabricated human-chessboard flashback when the real horrors were available, plus Dylan Baker's unconvincing German accent and an M. Night Shyamalan-style twist at the end of episode one; he also nails the show's "Marvelization" of the Holocaust, with bold title cards and superhero origin beats where Uncle Ben would go. JVL is the outlier: he loved the elevator pitch of a Jewish league of superheroes enacting vengeance on Nazis burrowed into American life and cared about five characters within one episode, but blames streaming's warped incentives — pay a writer a dollar a word and you get ten thousand words no matter what the piece needs — for a story told with no economy, the same flab he found in The Boys, The Man in the High Castle, and the middle of The Mandalorian. Box office: The Invisible Man won the weekend with $28.2 million over Sonic the Hedgehog at $16.3 million and The Call of the Wild at $13.4 million, Sonic's legs explained by Sonny as the simple absence of any other family option. Coronavirus arrives in earnest, with JVL floating voluntary theater shutdowns and Sonny insisting there is "a 0.0% chance" of that without government action, then conceding a 100% chance he'll look foolish in a week. Earlier: Sonny's one-hour Amazon dongle delivery and $9 signed Harlan Ellison collection ("Lord Bezos provides"), JVL's return pilgrimage to Georgetown, where the show outdrew Charles Krauthammer, and Vic's conversion to the Amtrak lounge at Union Station.
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Vic00:00:00Hello and welcome to another edition of The Sub-Beacon. I'm Victor Matus along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. Just a reminder, The Sub-Beacon is available on iTunes, Google Play, and Stitcher. Look in a podcast and search for Sub-Beacon. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and leave a review. Gentlemen, how are we? Sonny, what is going down in Texas?
Sonny00:00:25I don't really have any good moving-to-Texas-adventure stories today, sadly.
Vic00:00:31You're settling in, though.
Sonny00:00:31But I am settling in. I do have another sort of story, though. Last week, you will remember that my audio was very bad. Yes, terrible. It sounded terrible. I sounded like I was talking through a tin can across the 1,300 miles. Yes. And the reason for that was I had to use my wireless headphones because I got a new... Ooh. I got a new iPhone. And in the infinite wisdom of Apple and Tim Cook, they got rid of the headphone jack, you remember. Now you have to either use the lightning input or wireless headphones. And I got to the office and I was like, ah, crap, I don't actually have this to do. So I resolved, I was like, all right, well, tomorrow I have another podcast to do. I will bring in my iPhone-ready headphones. And everything will be fine. And, of course, I left them in the box on my desk at home. So I get to the office and I'm unpacking my bag. I'm like, crap, forgot my phone. Forgot my phone headphones. So what am I going to do? Oh, I know what I'm going to do. I'm just going to get them from Amazon and I'm going to have them at my office in an hour. And that's what I did. I ordered one of the little connectors to connect the lightning jack to the 3.5 millimeter jack. It's a dongle of a sort. Oh, I haven't heard that since the old days. It's a dongle. It's a dongle that I insert into my box. And it came literally in literally an hour. Granted, it costs like three times what it actually costs to get it to me in that hour. But that's fine. That's fine. I was paying for my own stupidity.
Vic00:02:14It's supply demand.
Sonny00:02:15I was paying for my own stupidity. And it's just another reminder that Lord Bezos provides. Lord Bezos provides. I actually had another interesting Amazon. Experience this week. I bought a copy of a Harlan Ellison collected edition of his film criticism. And I just ordered like the I ordered a used copy on Amazon Marketplace. And it came a couple of days later. I paid like nine bucks for it. And I opened it up. And whoever whoever it was that was indexing this for the used book company was not paying very good attention because it turns out it was actually one of the signed limited edition versions of the book. It's like it's, you know, 70 or 80 bucks. On a books or wherever, if you try to get that specific edition. But I got it for nine. So, Lord, once again, Lord Bezos provides. I give it to him extra money for the dongle. And he gives it back to me in little ways. It's an Amazon miracle.
Vic00:03:11Yeah, that's right. You have to find the little little things in life that remind me.
Sonny00:03:16I'm having a great Lent. How are you guys doing?
Vic00:03:18Oh, wow. That's your that's your Lent. It reminds me of Joe Epstein writing about going to the bookstore and finding his book. And it was something it was a book he had signed for somebody. That person had put it in there.
JVL00:03:33Yeah, that's right.
Vic00:03:35We're doing Fight JVL. What's going on?
JVL00:03:38I'm still basking in the afterglow of my trip to Georgetown. I got to wander the campus in a way which I have not done since I was a high school senior. I walked past Healy Hall, which is where the financial aid office is. I remember dropping off my FAFSA when I was a senior because I hand-delivered my FAFSA thinking that maybe that would impress them. That would impress them.
Vic00:04:09They'd think, hey, he's here in person.
JVL00:04:11He's so into this. White Gravener, which is where all the student tours originated from. I went over to Levy. I used to give those tours. Went through the bookstore and sat and had myself just a soda with all the kids. Do you feel like you blended in?
Vic00:04:27Do you think they might have thought you were one of the older students, maybe a grad student?
JVL00:04:30Yeah, no, I'm sure they thought that. No, I was actually, the whole time I felt as though everybody was staring at me and that at any moment someone was going to be like, what are you doing here? You don't belong here.
Vic00:04:46You don't belong here. Get him out of campus. Get him out.
JVL00:04:49Invasion of the body snatchers. They start pointing. Yes. I thought it was going to be exactly like that. And then I got, and we did our little presentation from a classroom. In white. And I thought to myself, okay, so hold on. Let's do the quick math here. I first applied to Georgetown when I was 18. I'm now 46. I spent more than half of my natural life trying to get into a Georgetown classroom. And it finally happened for me.
Vic00:05:12Thanks to the Georgetown Review and the folks at the Georgetown Review. It was a great, great turn. I'd like to point out about the turnout. More than Charles Krauthammer got. Yeah. You know what I was going to say? Because this is true. They talked about Richard, Richard Bruckheiser. Came there. And we had four times as many people come out for us than for Richard Bruckheiser. Taking almost twice as many as came out for.
JVL00:05:34Take that, Richard Bruckheiser's beliefs. Almost twice as many as came out for Charles Krauthammer.
Vic00:05:39Yeah, almost twice as many. It's the power of podcasting, man.
JVL00:05:43Power of podcasting.
Vic00:05:44We had people come up all the way up. Peter Grace came all the way up from Richmond. I'll mention everybody's names in the shout outs at the end of the show. I explained to them we have elements for a reason.
Sonny00:05:58Did you take notes on who actually came?
JVL00:06:00Can we talk briefly about how old you and I both felt, though? So, Sonny, you don't know. So there's a girl there. And when she walked in. What's a girl? An all-guy thing. And she's this super cool-looking, hipster kind of girl. And she walked in. I looked at her and I was like, hey, are you lost? And she was like, no, no, I'm here because my dad told me to come. Like, who's your father? And she goes, who's your father? He's a friend of yours, Tom Riley. And I realized that this girl, the last time I saw her, she was six years old when I was over at Tom Riley's house. And all of his kids were little, little kids running around. And she's now like a college sophomore. And her sister is also. That's great.
Vic00:06:41I'm like, wait a minute. I said, I know Tom. He's like in his 30s. And I'm like, I'm like 24.
Sonny00:06:47But it turned out not to be the case. No, no, we're all going to die. You sooner than me because you're older than me. You're much older than me. I'm right around the corner. You're in your 60s probably. I'm still in my 30s. It's fine.
Vic00:07:00They had questions about the podcast and stuff like that. And we went to the Tombs. We went to the Tombs. Which is the famous Georgetown bar. It's such a dive. But it was very nice. You know what? I got it. It's sort of like it almost changed me, not just mentally, but physically, that when I walked in, I felt like I could probably just start chugging beers. You know? And it just went down. It went down so easily. It went down so easily?
JVL00:07:28It did.
Vic00:07:29It did, Sonny. Right down your throat? It was like liquid gold. And it was a concern of mine because I do have a blood test next week, and I still polished off a dozen wings. A dozen wings and a pitcher of beer. And I just kind of kept on going. What's that sound?
Sonny00:07:49I don't know. What is that sound?
Vic00:07:50Sounds like somebody's using a Swiffer.
JVL00:07:55That would be the construction next to us. It sounds to me like somebody is sanding the drywall seams.
Vic00:08:01I think that's exactly what they're doing. I thought it was technical difficulties. Nope.
JVL00:08:05You keep talking.
Vic00:08:06Okay. I think let's see what KB owns. Is he going to bang on the wall? I don't know what he's doing there. Is he going to bang on the wall? That's what he's doing the older days, just banging on the wall or the ceiling. Yeah. They're sanding or something over there. It never fails. They wait for our show to come on, and that's what they never do it on Write and Writer. They always do it on KB. They always do it for us. Okay. But back to Georgetown. It was lovely over there at the Tombs. We had a good time. Yeah. Should we just stop this? That's really loud. Okay. Hold on one second. So I had a lovely weekend. I was in New York. I saw you went to the lounge. Yes. So JVL, you were absolutely right about the... So I had a lovely weekend. So I had some vouchers because I'm not actually a whatever gold member, an Amtrak member that gets all the access to, but I get a lot of points from over the years and I don't really use them. So I said, you know what? After you mentioned it, I actually checked how many points I have. And I said, let me get, you know, so I can have access to the lounge. You were so right. First of all, the lounge at Union Station, right? It's civilized. Oh, yeah. Friendly. Super friendly. Clean. The bathrooms. The bathrooms. Okay. Also in the morning, if you're leaving from like Union Station in the morning, going up to the, going up to New York, it's quiet. There are not that many people there, you know? And, and so, I mean, I get to use the nice, the nice bathroom. No homeless people sleeping in the bathroom. They're not sitting on the sink, sleeping in the stalls. So I did that. And they asked for your, you know, you have to, I didn't realize you have to ring a bell. Like, and then the light goes on. It's literally like a speakeasy. Right. And I was ringing it several times and finally I was like, is it working or not? And finally I just gave it a try. And the lady. The lady behind is like, how many times are you going to ring it? Because I, I was telling you to come in. Because you're a newbie.
Sonny00:09:59Wow. The noobs always do that. I know. You, that, you just embarrassed yourself in front of the, the good people. I did. I was, it was so cold. I'm surprised you didn't just walk right back out the door. I almost. And go, go to the bathroom of shame.
Vic00:10:11I almost, I almost, I thought there'd be like, there's a, there's kind of a front desk in that area. And I thought, oh, it's not, man, it must be closed. The club must be closed. And then I thought, oh, maybe they're coming back. The desk is inside. The desk is inside.
JVL00:10:21That's how they keep people from even trying to get in.
Vic00:10:23From even trying to get in. And I don't know how they know, because I don't know, do you flash a card or something? Because I just gave her my voucher and, and then she was like, okay. And they check you in. Yes, that's right. By name. Yeah. So she said name and, and when, you know, what's your train? So I told her and she goes, okay, just, you know, that's great. And, you know, and then all of a sudden they will let you know before anybody else.
JVL00:10:47Right. And there's a side door. Your own entrance to the train. So you could then go and go to any seat you want to get any car you want. Whichever seat you prefer in the quiet car, you can have for the taking. Oh my gosh.
Sonny00:11:03Isn't there a first class car?
Vic00:11:06There is. I didn't do that because Jonathan did that. That's what I did. I did the voucher for the first class. That's a whole other thing.
Sonny00:11:11So you didn't, you didn't actually, you didn't have a first class ticket. No, no, no.
Vic00:11:15Just access to lounge and they let you in. If you're in the lounge, you're going in. Worth it. And you get the coffee. And there's a little snack. Juice. Juice, whatever you want in the morning.
JVL00:11:25Newspapers. And they take care of letting you know when it's time to board the train. You're not standing in line with all the smelly people. On the other hand. Sorry. Did I say that out loud or was that just in my head?
Vic00:11:36We were thinking it, but you said it out loud. On the other hand, the Acela Lounge at Penn Station. It's terrible.
JVL00:11:44Terrible. It's awful.
Vic00:11:45Okay. So I made them say, I said, you know, I'll get in there early.
JVL00:11:48It's better than Penn Station.
Vic00:11:49Normal. Yes and no. I mean, if I'm going to be in Penn Station, I would rather be standing there in the masses. At the Red Mango? For five minutes. Right. I'd rather stand there for five minutes and do my trick of how to get in before anybody else, which I won't discuss here. They stopped that.
Sonny00:12:10What? They stopped that. You can't do that anymore.
Vic00:12:13Don't talk about it. We'll talk about it off air. They stopped.
Sonny00:12:15You can't do it anymore. You're talking.
Vic00:12:17All right.
Sonny00:12:18All right.
Vic00:12:18I got something else going. It involves going to the men's room.
Sonny00:12:22I have sex with the conductor. He lets me in. Whatever it takes. All right. Never mind. I take it back. Oh, yes. I didn't realize you had found another workaround.
Vic00:12:33I found another around in the caboose. I'll reach around. I'll reach around if you would. So, but the Acela Lounge itself, it was a mob scene at Penn Station. Oh, yeah. It's tiny. It's tiny. And so people are getting, you know, so people are coming in and out. Like, you can almost sneak your way in. Also, they have. They have snacks. And, like, they have, like, the dispensers for the M&Ms. They're all over the counter because people are just turning. Everyone is trying to get as many. Animals. They're animals in the lounge. People in New York. Animals in the lounge.
Sonny00:13:02People in New York live like animals. They do. Even the rich people live like animals. The rich people. 100%.
Vic00:13:07The people in the lounge. They were trying to stuff their pockets with as many freebies as possible. So, the M&Ms. And I'm like, this is a good way to get sick right here. New York is the worst. No. It was like, you know. And there's some aspects of the city I love. Sunday mornings. What were you doing up there? My sister's 50th birthday party.
JVL00:13:23Oh.
Vic00:13:23So, it was at the Ribbon near Times Square. I hate anything near Times Square, but that, you know. Did you go to Sparrow?
Sonny00:13:30Yeah. Why would you go there when you can go to the Red Lobster?
Vic00:13:34That's true. In fact.
Sonny00:13:36Get a cheddar biscuit.
Vic00:13:37The Ribbon is insanely overpriced, but it keeps. No. There's a certain crowd control. More than. I mean, I'm saying more than normal overpriced in New York. But, I mean, when you have nine people. And that was my job, is to find where can nine people go for dinner before going to Birdland, the jazz club, which is also on 44, but, you know, for between eight and nine. And so, I said, this looks like the only place, because the alternative would be Sardi's, which is for the Broadway, the theater folk. And then the other, or Carmine's, which is also animals. You can get there. You show up at three o'clock. People are there for dinner. Okay. Well, it's a two-hour wait at three o'clock or something at Carmine's. And you know Carmine's, Sonny.
Sonny00:14:14Carmine's is great. I love Carmine's.
Vic00:14:15Carmine's is great, but it's insane.
JVL00:14:17I'm sure the food is just so much better that you can get anywhere that's not inside Manhattan.
Vic00:14:22So, the ribbon was actually, but the food was very good. I had four pieces of fried chicken. And they treated us well. How much did you pay for four pieces of fried chicken? $26. However, you know, my colleague, Brent Scherr, was saying there is a place called Emily's or something. If I get the name wrong, I apologize. In the city, Washington, D.C., selling four pieces of chicken for like $46.
JVL00:14:51I bet that's really good. And they can't get enough.
Vic00:14:54And it's like, you know, in the hip, trendy area now. U Street. Somewhere up there. U Street.
Sonny00:14:59So, what is this, 2006?
Vic00:15:02The funny thing is, but I'm there with a very, it's a very Jersey crowd, right? I mean, it's the eight of them. They come in a white stretch limo with the Jersey plates. The bridge and tunnel crowd is there, you know, cynically. Did your sister tease her hair up high like she would have back in 88? It's the scene like, you know, John Potter, which would have nothing to do with this. He would just flee. This is why he would never go to like Times Square. But, and they come in, and then the limo, it's very interesting because I said, what happens to the limo driver? Oh, he's just going to hang around the city for like five hours. I was like, he probably goes to Flash Dancers. And so, you know, when you call them, like, hey, we're ready to be picked up. That's probably where, or hanging out with the other limo drivers. I have no idea. No, you can't park that thing.
JVL00:15:35You have to like drive out to the airport and park there or something in the cell phone lot. I have no idea.
Vic00:15:39I have no idea. But anyway.
JVL00:15:41Flash Dancers. Yes. But anyway.
Sonny00:15:43So, wait, they actually got like a big white stretch limo? Yes. A big white stretch limo. Just like prom. Just like prom. That's awesome. It was. It was.
JVL00:15:51Did you and your sister, were you guys able to go to prom together? What? Not as dates. No, no. I meant, did you overlap at Monsignor Donovan so that you could? I was a freshman. She was a junior. So, did you, like when she was a senior and you were a sophomore? No, no. That's right. I'm sorry. I was a freshman. She was a senior. Yes. So, did you both go to prom the same year together?
Vic00:16:10No, no, no. No, no. Prom is only for, like, there's a junior prom when you're a junior and then there's a senior prom when you're a senior. Hmm. Yes. So, not freshman or sophomore. Interesting. And we never said, I always hated the phrase, are you going to prom? You ever hear, you know, people, are you going to prom? Yeah. What else do you say?
Sonny00:16:27I don't, are you going to prom?
Vic00:16:29Are you going to the prom? It's the prom, right? Going to prom. I mean, it's a prom.
JVL00:16:34What is prom even short for? I'm sure it's short for prom. Promenade.
Vic00:16:37The promenade. The promenade. The promenade. Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. And then again, I'm going to a cotillion.
Sonny00:16:42I'm sorry. I'm very, I'm very confused. Why, why, you, you dislike the phrase, are you going to prom as opposed to going to the prom?
Vic00:16:50Yeah, going to the prom. Yeah.
Sonny00:16:51But, but you, you just said. Also, you're standing on a line, Sonny.
Vic00:16:54Sonny, you're also standing on the line.
Sonny00:16:55You just said that there are two proms at your, at your school, which is weird to me. First off, that's weird to me. But you, you can't, if you say you're going to the prom, people would be confused because there are two proms at your school.
Vic00:17:07Oh, for goodness sakes. All right. So, no, no, no.
Sonny00:17:10This is important. This is important. We're moving on. I don't even know.
Vic00:17:12This is, this is very, this is very important. What's the word I'm thinking of? Pedantic. Pedantic. Pedantic. Pedological.
Sonny00:17:18That's pedagogical. The pedagogy of this is very interesting.
Vic00:17:22Not pedagogy. Pedantry. I did have an announcement at the GU, at our talk at Georgetown, our big, big talk at Georgetown.
JVL00:17:28By the way, my 2015 union. Yeah, you were okay.
Vic00:17:31You were great. Yeah. They loved you. You were exactly as you, they imagined. And I think, and I loved how you so depressed them about the future of journalism.
JVL00:17:38Yeah. I want to beat the idea out of these kids that there's like a place for them in journalism.
Vic00:17:42Only the strong shall survive.
Sonny00:17:44Uh, I'm sorry. Can I ask a question about the Georgetown event? Cause I, we were going to save it for the show and then we barely talked about it. We got interrupted by all the sanding.
JVL00:17:50Wax on, wax off on the other side of the wall. So we're not talking about how you get onto the train early anymore.
Sonny00:17:55Yeah. So I gave that to you too. I did. Question. Question. Uh, was it, was it all people who worked on the magazine? Was it like all magazine staffers or was it broader than that?
Vic00:18:07Listeners. They were mostly listeners and a couple of students. It was midterm week. Uh, so a lot of the kids, of course, they're very studious. That wouldn't have stopped me, by the way, when I was in Georgetown midterm week. I wouldn't, I wouldn't know about midterm until like the night before. Uh, yeah, but there were a lot of listeners. I'll mention them later on. Uh, but I did have an announcement at, do you remember what I said? I said, I'm done with transitions.
JVL00:18:31Yes. And I'm excited about this. No more transitions. I'm so sick. I can't spend 30 minutes. Transitions are the past.
Vic00:18:36It is. Thank you. The future is just linear moving from point A to point B. I say this to people who say they love the transition. I spend too much time on the track. I don't have time. So you'll never see them again. They're gone. Speaking of which, over the weekend, the Invisible Man took the top of the box.
JVL00:18:51Yes.
Vic00:18:53I really, I really tried hard not to have a transition. And then it was like, oh, you'll never see him again. Oh, speaking of which.
Sonny00:18:59It's deep within your soul. I can't get rid of it. Your body yearns for the transition.
Vic00:19:03$28.2 million, followed by Sonic the Hedgehog with $16.3 million. And in third place, The Call of the Wild. With $13.4 million, box office thoughts.
JVL00:19:16Sonic the Hedgehog is on track to make how much money, Sonny?
Sonny00:19:20Well, I mean, it's holding really well. It only dropped 38% last week.
JVL00:19:24It must be because it's such a great movie. It's because it's great. It's high art.
Sonny00:19:28Did you see Sonic? I haven't seen Sonic. Why would I go see Sonic?
Vic00:19:31Because somebody was saying that.
Sonny00:19:31I'm no interest in it.
Vic00:19:33Somebody was saying that, yeah, it's your typical video game turned into a movie, blah, blah, blah. But then made some comment about, like, the ending being poignant or some touching ending. Really? Jim Carrey? Really?
JVL00:19:44Did he put jewels on his forehead before he died?
Vic00:19:48He said, wait a minute, I'm being filmed?
JVL00:19:52Every once in a while a movie like this happens that is such an obvious, like, bankruptcy of artistic ambition and the most. And it just then kills. And Sonic is killing. And I don't understand it. And I don't know if I want to understand it.
Sonny00:20:10I mean, the reason is. The reason is incredibly obvious. It's the only movie that is good for families that is out right now except for The Call of the Wild. And nobody wants to go see that creepy CGI dog movie. If you're going to go see a CGI animal, you're going to see the full CGI hedgehog, right? Like, it's the answer to this. The answer to this is it's not rocket science. I mean, there's a reason Jumanji The Next Level is still in theaters. It's number 11. It's number 11 at the box office this week. It's still hanging around. It's Doolittle. You know, Doolittle managed to scrap out a $76 million domestic gross, which, like, considering where it started from, isn't as terrible as it could have been. Like, there is just nothing in theaters for families right now. So this is a movie that is going to hang around and hang around.
JVL00:21:03The good news is families aren't going to want to go to theaters anymore because of the COVID-19.
Sonny00:21:09Well, we're all going to die. We're all going to die here in the next. So, like, six weeks or so. So all the old people will die. All the old people will die and all the young people will have to be at home and they won't be able to go to theaters because everything will be shut down.
JVL00:21:22Some old people will die, but the Hollywood may die. Have you have you followed this, Sonny? We talked about this on text.
Sonny00:21:31It's literally the only thing I follow now is what what coronavirus is doing to the industry. Yeah. Fascinating. James.
JVL00:21:38So who? So we know James Bond has been moved. Right. I assume.
Sonny00:21:42Mulan will be pushed a whole bunch at this point. At this point, Disney is sticking by its plan to release Mulan and Black Widow. I don't know.
JVL00:21:51Aren't following this. The reason is because over in Asia, they are shutting down theaters temporarily. Right. This is happening in China. It's happened already in South Korea.
Sonny00:22:01Chinese theaters have been closed for like two months.
JVL00:22:04Yeah.
Sonny00:22:04It's crazy. I mean, they're they're losing. They're losing like a billion and a half dollars of revenue every month.
JVL00:22:09Do they watch a lot of movies in China? This is very. Possibly coming here. And I believe that South Korea is the fourth largest domestic market. Is that right, Sonny?
Sonny00:22:18So you you you I would I would I would be cautious with predicting that this will end up happening. So basically, you know, in in authoritarian states like China, they've shut everything down. They've shut down all like public meeting spaces. But they're used to doing that sort of thing in China. Let's be honest. In South Korea, I think I don't I don't think it's like an actual government mandated shutdown, but it might be. South Korea is like. A borderline authoritarian state as it is. And in Italy, I think they're the the attendance is down, but I don't think the theaters have all been shut down. I'm not 100 percent sure on that. But like so what what would it take to actually shut down theaters in the United to shut them down, to not have a like AMC and Regal being like, we're not going to open for the next month. Right. Like to say the government like shuts like what would that actually take? It would take like a declaration of martial law, essentially.
JVL00:23:09Yeah, I don't think the government. I think the theater. Owners are likely to do some voluntary shutdown.
Sonny00:23:15I don't I don't think they I don't think why would they why would they what on earth is the benefit to them for doing this? What is the benefit to them for shutting down voluntarily? That's insane. It seeds it seeds the ground to the streaming services who are supposedly going to be the big winners out of all this because everyone's going to be staying at home watching hunters for some godly ungodly reason.
JVL00:23:37Do you know any do you know any production companies that do most of their business in video? On demand who might also be beneficiaries of this?
Sonny00:23:45I know I know a few of them except for the fact that all of them want to be in theaters. Here's the thing. I'll put this I'll throw this out there. The the big boys pulling their stuff from the stage is the best thing that could happen to the minor studios because you know what theaters are going to need. They're going to need content. They're going to need they're going to need they're going to need stuff to put in there in their theaters. If, for instance, you know, Disney and Warners and Universal and everybody else decides. Well, we need the Chinese market so badly that we can't do a domestic release because if we do a domestic release, people will pirate it and stream it in China before we get a chance to release it there. The big winners, the big winners are going to be the 10 to 20 million dollar movies.
JVL00:24:25OK, so here is why somebody like AMC or Regal might decide on a voluntary shutdown for some finite period of time. Because if attendance drops off the map, because people are terrified of it. And to be honest, I understand being a little bit nervous about the theater experience because that's a great place to go. And get sick. A movie theater, if a bug is going around, because you can't really disinfect a movie theater, right? Everybody's putting stuffing their face full of popcorn. They're sneezing. They're touching the hard surfaces. Correction.
Vic00:24:54In between movie screenings, they come in to clean it, the movie attendants.
Sonny00:24:59It's like at the dentist's office, you know, how they disinfect the tools, the stainless tools. It's just like that. It's just like that.
JVL00:25:06So if attendance drops to the point, I mean, there is an attendance number at which opening the theater itself is not profitable. Right. I mean, it costs money to have people there. It costs money to rent the movie. It doesn't cost that much money.
Sonny00:25:19There's nobody working it. Have you been to a theater recently? There's nobody working there. There's nobody in the projection booths making sure that the screening is going well. There's nobody working the concession stands.
Vic00:25:29You know, the concession stand thing is interesting, Sonny, because I remember certain theaters where there'll be like the second floor and there's a second floor concession. It hasn't been opened in years.
Sonny00:25:40I haven't seen a concession. There's a concession stand that's not like the main one open in like the last 10 theaters I've been to. And no matter what time of day, no matter what time of night I go to, it's always closed. Those are always aspirational. The theaters just don't staff these things anymore. I mean, I understand what you're saying, JVL. I totally get it.
JVL00:26:02I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying I think it's a possibility.
Sonny00:26:04I think it is. I think there is a 0.0% chance that AMC and Regal domestically shut down their theater. Chains because of fear of coronavirus without interference from the government. I think there's a 0.0% chance of that happening. There's no benefit to them to do it.
JVL00:26:20OK, well, we'll see.
Sonny00:26:23There's a 100% chance now that it happens like a week from now. They're like AMC is like we're shutting it down, shutting the whole thing down till we figure out what's going on here.
JVL00:26:32While we're talking about this, Vic, is there anybody else you'd like to kill after murdering Jim Lipton? OK, that was really weird.
Vic00:26:38I mean, like no joke weird, because what we were talking about the upcoming Georgetown. Talk in last week's episode. And then I said, yeah, it'll be great. Q&A with Jacob. It'll be just like the actor's studio. And then the actor's studio host dies. Granted, he was I had no idea he was that old. How old was I? I had no idea either.
Sonny00:26:56No, no.
JVL00:26:56He was not a warden gentle, which was 93.
Vic00:26:59Yes. Isn't it insane?
JVL00:27:01You'll find it both engrossing and high grossing. That was the script, right? He wrote a script. He wrote a script. That's great play.
Vic00:27:09Yeah, I was.
JVL00:27:10I recently had a performed. By a group of very promising young actors. And then they show the kids.
Vic00:27:15All right. Hit him with a pillowcase full of batteries. He was great. He was great. That was terrible. No, I'm trying to. I mean, you know, but it was weird. It was just a week after. Less than. Not weird. This is your superpower. You're the angel of death. Somebody said, please don't mention whoever. Or please mention my mother-in-law. He said or something like that was very funny. OK. One thing.
Sonny00:27:39One thing that is. I do think it is worth. Mentioning briefly the decision by studios to delay release of films. Yes. Right. JVL. Like, I do think that there's an there's a different calculus there for them. Because I like Universal saying I think Universal, whoever is releasing No Time to Die. Yeah. Them saying we cannot make this movie profitable without China, South Korea, Italy, etc. Is is actually a kind of fascinating bellwether. And I do. I do think that there is a chance that we will see more of that going forward. I do think I like Disney says for now that Mulan and Black Widow are going to be released still. But I mean, Black Widow is going to be huge in China. That's an MCU movie. Those movies do huge, huge numbers in China. Mulan for obvious reasons. I mean, Mulan, I it's always hard for me to tell when like the the Asia influence stuff is actually going to do well in China. That that is weirdly hit and miss when when it does well and when it doesn't. But the but. The the I think I do. I do think that theaters should be worried that the studios will start pulling stuff.
JVL00:28:48Yeah, I would be. I think that some movies are easier to pull than others. So I actually think James Bond is in a perfect place to be pulled and hold on to it. First of all, the Bond movies are like each one teeters on a knife's edge. And so this is you don't want to mess up with one of them. Secondly, it's in a. March slot, which is not a great slot to begin with. So it's not like you're giving up Memorial Day weekend. And thirdly, by being the first person to pull it, you're getting a bunch of free advertising. And so when it eventually does come out in whatever they shifted the release date to right now, it'll be like finally six months.
Sonny00:29:30They delayed it six months.
JVL00:29:31So it'll be like, well, yeah, but we had all pent up demand. We want it. So I it's easier to make a decision to pull that than it is to pull Mulan, I think, or or Black Widow. I think those are much harder calls to make. I think it was probably a very smart decision to pull. I bet you especially on bond. Also, again, as a foreign gross does a huge percentage of of its business overseas.
Vic00:29:53I bet you Matt Damon is breathing a sigh of relief because that Great Wall movie he did, if it came out now would be terrible.
JVL00:29:59It would have been terrible, right? It would have been the block blockbuster that it was.
Vic00:30:03So, yes, thank goodness we can watch movies and TV at home on Amazon and Netflix. And there's so many great things to choose from, Sonny. What are we talking about this week? You mentioned.
Sonny00:30:13So we this week are talking about Hunters, the the new series from Amazon Prime.
Vic00:30:21I see a lot of commercials for it. I see it looks like Pulp Fiction and it's got Al Pacino and it looks like I don't know what's going on. Tell us a little big boy review.
Sonny00:30:33I mean, I'm going to do a big boy review of the first two episodes because that's all I could get through because it's not very good. A lot. I mean, it was an hour and a half. Two and a half hours, two and a half hours of TV here. So so Hunters is about a is is is about a secret plot that the Nazis have infiltrated America in the 1970s. They left they left Nazi Germany at the end of World War Two. They secretly infiltrated America and they're doing something bad. And a group of a ragtag group of Holocaust survivors and other sundry Jewish people and also one black power activist for some reason, which I assume they get into later in the show. That I'm that I'm never going to find out are teaming up to stop the Nazis. And it's it is as as as Vic mentioned, it is kind of Tarantino inflected. The second episode has this kind of grindhouse, pulpy look at these weird introductions to these characters vibe to it. That's very meta and annoying and derivative. And and it is it's. The whole thing, the whole even Al Pacino chewing scenery as the the kind of Bruce Wayne ask leader of this group of of Nazi hunters does nothing for me.
JVL00:31:57Like his impression. Yeah, I mean, he's actually he's he's he's like the only real man.
Sonny00:32:01He is really the only watchable thing in it. Like Logan Lerman, Logan Lerman, who is the who is the like nominal lead in this thing is is just callow and annoying. And I I it's not even that I hated it. There was there. It's interesting. There was a controversy last week. I think the Auschwitz Museum, the Auschwitz Museum had said that this movie, this show is inappropriate because it trivializes the Holocaust by inventing atrocities and thus providing aid and comfort to Holocaust deniers, which I don't buy exactly. I don't think that, like, first off, a Holocaust denier, you know, isn't going to stop being a Holocaust denier because of this. I don't think anyone will watch the show and be like, wow, this thing shows that they're just making up atrocities about the Holocaust. So I will definitely believe Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial is a symptom of anti-Jewishness. Like, it's not a it's not a function of anything else.
JVL00:32:57They're just asking questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sonny00:32:59Right. Exactly. It's not it's not, you know, how many people were killed in the the, you know, the Holocaust or whatever. Those people are assholes. And and I don't think that Hunters is going to, like, make them not be assholes or make them be more assholes.
Vic00:33:13But it is in bad taste.
Sonny00:33:15But I don't think it's I don't think it's a bad taste. I mean, it wasn't glorious bastards in bad taste. I don't think it's a bad taste, but like, I don't. But the problem with it is that it's just not very good. That's that's the real problem here. So what did you not like about it? I hold on one sec. Somebody left this door open. There we go. Sorry, I had to shut the door. I just I was I was just bored. I was just I just found it totally boring. I did not. I was I was not entertained or amused by it. I didn't think the performances were interesting enough. There's this there's a Nazi killer character who is basically like Aryan Anton Sugar, who like goes around delivering monologues about the purity of the race and blah blah. And it's just like, oh, just spare me, spare me all this nonsense. It sucks.
JVL00:34:12Am I your mother?
Sonny00:34:13Anyway, I didn't I didn't I didn't care for it. I didn't care for it. I and I resent the fact that this thing is like 11 hours long somehow. I like you could maybe squeeze a two hour movie out of this concept, maybe, but dragging it on. I like I watched two and a half hours and I was like I was like, I never want to watch another minute of this. I don't know.
JVL00:34:36All right. Victorino, before you give your verdict here.
Vic00:34:39Sure. I just. It's a judgment at Nuremberg.
JVL00:34:42Go ahead. I while watching this, all I could think about was the quadrants because this has great violence and the guy. The guy. The bowling ball. Beating up with a bowling ball.
Vic00:34:53Beating people up with a bowling ball. He basically gave him a curb job with a bowling ball to the face.
Sonny00:34:58Curbstop. Not a curb job. Yeah, a curb stop. That's a.
Vic00:35:02The curb job is a whole.
JVL00:35:03Curb job. It's a whole category. That's how you get into a train early. Yeah.
Vic00:35:07Curb job. Curb job. Curb job. Do you remember that was Shepard Smith? Curb job. Instead, he said a BJ instead of a curb job on air. I don't remember that at all. Great. Go look it up on YouTube.
JVL00:35:18It's worth it. Go ahead. So we got great violence. It's about Germany and the World War II. It's a period piece about the seventies and there's a lot of nudity.
Vic00:35:28Yeah.
JVL00:35:29There's that great shower scene. Yeah, that was great. That was great. Oh, that woman in the shower scene. The nudity was gratuitous. The woman getting all naked in the shower. You can't unsee that. It's like Kathy Bates. It's about Schmidt, but like worse. So I thought to myself, Vic is going to love the crap out of this show. Is that not? You forget that the lady is in her, what, eighties. It was really something.
Vic00:35:51Okay.
JVL00:35:52So yes, this is the joke for anybody who has not seen or is not going to see Hunters is that the woman who gets naked before she gets into the shower is like an 85 year old Nazi scientist.
?00:36:01Overweight.
JVL00:36:02Yeah. That's what makes it gross. The fact that she's overweight.
Vic00:36:06And old.
JVL00:36:07Okay.
Vic00:36:08So what did I think about the show? You didn't like it? I didn't like it. I gave it a C. Really? Yeah. I just did not like it. I did. I thought it was in bad taste. I thought the idea of showing a scene that takes place in a chessboard, the flashbacks, I thought were disturbing to have a chessboard. There are bad enough things that happened for real during the Holocaust that you don't have to make up that, oh, they did this also where they had, you know, a human chessboard, you know? I mean, that's, I just didn't like that. It just, uh, you know, um, did you make it, did you make it to the second episode, Vic? No, just the first episode.
Sonny00:36:40There's a, there's like a, there's a, there's a scene in the second episode where it's basically like American Idol, but, uh, in a death camp. And every time, every time you, you don't sing the song right, you get shot. So you know, the good taste continues. The good taste continues.
Vic00:36:55Again, I mean, there are, there are actual real things that happened that are similar to that, but you don't necessarily, you don't have to make it up there. You know, I remember reading about a violin player and, you know, the violinists who were asked to, uh, perform, um. It would be Chopiny's Strauss. Uh, no. You know, the Danny Waltz and, uh, and if, if they played it wrong, then, you know, they, they beat that, you know, the crap out of the guy with the violin. And then the other guy recounted how, you know, I mean, you're just sweating bullets trying to make sure that he got every note perfect. Um, so yeah, I mean, there are similar, you know, terrible things happen, but so when you make up things like, ah, you're, I don't know, I feel like you're, you're sort of trivializing that. So I'm on that side of it, but you know, I mean, you're right though, Sonny. I mean, there were other, look, the boys from Brazil, right. Right.
Sonny00:37:40Which also was, was in the 1970s, you know, yeah, marathon, marathon man, but it's inglorious bastards. I mean, I don't, I don't think, I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong or even X-Men, you know, X-Men slash X-Men first class.
Vic00:37:56Like I don't about the first thing. That's the first thing I thought about was the opening scene with, uh, Magneto in the camp. And I'm, I'm with pot.
Sonny00:38:03I mean, I would, I would totally watch, I would totally watch, uh, an, uh, a, a, um, Eric Lenscher. hunter movie where it's like uh the michael fastbender magneto teaming up with like silver sable or what i've like this is my like this is my like one marvel studios pitch is like eric lencher don't give it away where he teams up with silver sable and they go around through like 1960s south america just murdering the crap out of nazis that would be so great it would be it would be fantastic i mean there's an amazing it would be it would there's nothing that could go wrong with
Vic00:38:36us um but the uh but i would say but but the but the but the the problem that one directed by eli roth yeah the big problem i think with it with hunters also is what you said i thought it was too derivative i think it was like oh this marvelization of of uh you know the subject of the holocaust and it was like it was so obvious how they're doing it you know and it's almost like you know superhero origins instead of uncle ben it's uh jonah's you know grandmother or you know the aunt that he's with and then this whole thing and it comes to this realization that he wants to take action and be uh because of that uh and you know i have it in big you know bold type across the across the screen you know
Sonny00:39:16the title cards yeah i know it's it's it's it's not it's not marvel it's tarantino that's what
JVL00:39:24it is it's knockoff like grindhouse so i i had a totally different reaction to this from both you guys i loved the whole idea of jewish a jewish league of superheroes which is there to enact vengeance upon nazis who have burrowed into american society as an elevator pitch i think that's fantastic uh i there were all you know i only also watched the first episode there were already like five characters that i cared deeply about and wanted to see what happened to them for me where it fell apart is where literally every streaming series i have ever tried to watch falls apart uh this even happened with the boys i i went and tried watching the boys a couple weeks ago uh which is another another series which is like tailor-made for me right the the incentives in streaming are so warped if if you as a right as an editor commission a piece and you tell the writer that you're going to pay them a dollar a word you will get a ten thousand word piece back no matter how long the piece needs to be and in in movies right so you you the producer put up the money you make the thing and then somebody is participating in profit and you hope that it does very well and if it does well then you stand to make some more money and in streaming because you are making content that you are signing over entirely to the platform you have no profit participation you are simply a worker for hire and so everything is done at like 10x the cost of what it would be doing if you were doing it as a theatrical film and everything because of the cost over structures uh you wind up doing more of it than you need to and i this is literally true i have never in my life watched a streaming series where the story was being told economically no everything is too long yeah and there is no service to the audience which says i understand that it is my duty as a storyteller to grab you by the lapels and never let go and you notice as soon as it ends after the first oh after the first closing credit boom
Vic00:41:32your next episode will start in three two one and then everything
JVL00:41:36from man in the high castle to the boy this is true with literally all of them and it drives me crazy and i i because we are never allowed to see numbers right you're never allowed to see numbers on on how many viewers these things actually have i just can't imagine the numbers are actually very good it makes you understand why friends did so well on netflix because friends actually you know is the original the original economics of friends were we've got to grab the viewer and make sure that we hold them through every single commercial break but yeah by constantly having their attention engaged and making sure that there's nothing extraneous very this 22 minute everything is tight and this is not true of any streamings and i don't understand why that is well i mean nobody said this should have been
Sonny00:42:24a single two-hour movie i could tell you exactly what the problem is here the problem is netflix you know uh kind of sotto voce motto right which is that uh they're they're they're real enemies isn't the other competition their real enemy is sleep and they're they're the the way that they combat that is by in theory having like 10 hours of a new thing to watch every week that it's like here's here's the new thing and sometimes that sometimes i mean our audience is really giving their time to it i think sometimes that works when you have something that goes like weirdly viral like stranger things or the the first several seasons of house of cards where everyone is like we gotta watch we gotta watch this whole thing this weekend we gotta watch it so we can talk about it the next day right um but i also think it is aimed at look this is we we we are i here's what i would be curious about here's the thing i often wonder about is if we are outliers from the um ideal netflix audience because we have families with and children right like in theory if you're if you're a single person and you have no actual responsibilities and you can just like say screw it i'm gonna sit in front of the tv for 12 hours one day um is is that who this is built for is it and is that is that are they reaching that audience successfully my my i i don't know i have no idea what the actual data is but my anecdata suggests that it is not it is not a terrible business model um i will often hear from people who are just like yeah i just watched like five episodes of breaking bad or five episodes of whatever um this weekend you know and i am i'm like i'm always kind of curious uh because i childless at the like birth of streaming and doing the same more the same thing more or less watching house of cards in a weekend or watching the first season of stranger things in a weekend i remember after having uh our first child we the like the first thing that we ended up streaming in that manner again was the second season of stranger things and i turned to my wife i was like man this is we haven't done this in like nine months we haven't done this in nine months because we we can't we simply don't have the we don't we don't have like the energy or the time or the interest to do it anymore so i do i do wonder if we are just not if we are just in our own bubble a bubble that is a fairly large one that exists for a large number of people
JVL00:44:47you know i i don't know but i but i don't quibble with the premise i quibble with the execution is what i'm saying i i understand the motto of you are you are pitching this at people who are on either side of the family divide right so you got retirees old people people are empty nesters on one side and singletons on the other side what i question is the creative choices to make series which which don't seem to me so compelling as to
Sonny00:45:18demand that you stay with them yeah no i i do think there's something there's the opening of
JVL00:45:23the next episode they have to grab you too yeah but i again i mean they're good television does this right i mean good television has to pull a viewer through commercial breaks and i just don't know that the streaming series they look to me flabby and like things which are being done by creators who are basically hoodwinking the guys writing the check it is oh i'm gonna get two dollars a word yeah well then in that case get ready for the magnum here you go here's my
Vic00:45:52magnum opus part the first yes uh okay um i had my other thought was again i i like al pacino uh i love al pacino but i thought here he was just so over the top i just i didn't i didn't buy him i didn't buy him as my offerment um dylan baker i like to but i didn't his his german accent was i thought and he's a great he's a great actor i like dylan baker but i thought his accent didn't work for me for me i didn't think it was really authentic yes go ahead sonny you
Sonny00:46:23were saying i thought you were saying something oh i i was just going to follow up briefly on JVL's point about the economics which is that the economics for streaming are actually kind of weird services order fewer episodes and because they come out at a at a um uh uh odd intervals the the the writers end up doing end up getting stuck on projects for long longer periods of time without actually like making more money it's weird it's it's it's kind of a weird compared to say network tv or even like the the basic cable shows uh it's it's it's a it's a weird economic thing for them
Vic00:47:03uh my my one last thought on the show also is the ending of the first episode i thought it was very M. Night Shyamalan you know what i mean where often oh all these people are there and where were they and then they do the flashback to all where they appeared throughout his walking down the street and things like that and i just sorry that's that's yeah the show's just not very good
Sonny00:47:29i mean i like i don't know there's not i don't i don't have much much else to say about the show
JVL00:47:35the characters thought it was all really nifty and yet the execution of it is so flawed that
Sonny00:47:42i couldn't care less JVL did you did you ever end up uh finishing the mandalorian no the mandalorian also too flabby the mandalorian was through it it got better but the mandalorian was flabby in the middle there were like three or four episodes in the middle that probably could have been condensed into two episodes probably killed it for a lot of people yeah but i will say that the mandalorian the the most the most interesting and successful thing about the mandalorian i think was its reversion to the one episode per week model um that has done that with their dating game show that oh yeah love is
JVL00:48:15blind yeah people can't get enough of that show yeah that's because netflix is bringing it out one week at a time yeah this is no it disney is very smart yeah disney disney is much smarter than netflix is just as a corporation and the extent to which i you're leaving we never talked about i you're leaving i don't think no i don't think we did what is a sign so bob eiger has stepped down oh bob eiger this name of a show now he's stepped down as disney ceo is head of creative content and this is a sign of how successful the launch of disney plus was um if the disney plus had not gone as they needed it to go he would not have been leaving when he was and the elevation of the fellow who is now his successor who comes from the theme park division yes is i'd love to be his friend very very interesting because it shows that disney understands that the end the end point of the like the streaming isn't the goal the end point of all this is bringing people to the theme parks and that all of that gets done by creating a giant ecosystem in which it's the like the intellectual property that drives everything i bet it's a great time to go to the theme park right now
Vic00:49:36nobody there yeah you don't even need a fast pass uh yes i agree the funny thing is you know i remember um uh when we did the disney cruise and you know they drop you off on the disney island uh you know everything is like uh it's supposed to look old but it's like everything is fake all everything's fake old and they have the fake old looking wooden placard board saying you know welcome uh to castaway key and if you look very carefully it says captain bob eiger
JVL00:50:02no i guess that's pretty awesome yeah very funny um okay any other thoughts do they have any like an adult yeah you and your wife
Vic00:50:12go to the blue lagoon lagoon style with a bunch of other uh adults in the water yeah that's a terrible idea the water is way too warm i went in the water in general it's it's it's unnaturally warm when you have that many people in on the island yeah like you know because they have like there's like the section where everybody can just you know you know just wait is that ocean yeah it's ocean but it's like there's something there's something unseemly i don't know it's just it just looks like i don't know about this but uh yes wow but that's where i did my first 5k if you remember i was very excited it was like 88 degrees um okay any other thoughts on hunters that's it no i would say uh uh you know what's pretty good but and and not really i didn't think it was in bad taste is hogan's heroes and that'd be worthwhile
JVL00:50:55before my time i don't know so you've never seen hogan's heroes i've never seen an episode of
Vic00:51:05about that is what that was filmed 20 years after the war yeah and i watched that all the time same
JVL00:51:11because it was on channel 17 what was it paired with was it paired with oh oh it's oh that's a
Vic00:51:17good question was it gilligan's island there was a whole stretch mikhail's navy and hogan's heroes yeah gilbert pile was there in there in the mix as well it was that was great yeah hogan's heroes
JVL00:51:28is one of those ideas which is now so unthinkable it would be like having a sitcom about the trail of tears yeah or something you know like a we're gonna do a sitcom about wounded knee yeah you know what though and and but but you look back but i mean
Sonny00:51:45i would watch i would watch the ianucci series about custer's last stand oh the armando ianucci from the creator of v here comes custer yes custer what what do you feel yeah okay i would
Vic00:51:58actually see that too i would watch that 100 i mean uh uh but but hogan's heroes had had a great uh cast uh with john banner who uh larry miller loves talking about john banner uh as a great which was john he was schultz he was schultz oh schultz whose family i believe you like you know i mean he's like a holocaust survivor which was crazy and then here he is playing this but also i liked uh bob crane and richard dawson because they were such wholesome richard dawson they're such wholesome guys you know that they're good family men outside of the movie i bet that uh
JVL00:52:27like with the batman 66 tv series i bet that the off offset yeah life
Vic00:52:35of that cast and crew was was i told you i think i probably mentioned this way back in the substandard days but you know when i'm reading about uh the life of bob crane and i think i did this for a piece for you when you were uh online editor at the standard uh how you know crazy of course everyone knows about bob crane because he was a big uh photographer and he was really early into video he was ahead of him he was ahead of the curve even for the industry he was ahead of the curve in any of these things and uh and then richard dawson saying about how bob's like i gotta show you something and it was like the whole backseat of his car was plastered with photos of naked women that he was doing things with and even for richard dawson it was a much he's like uh i gotta go can i just briefly before we leave hunters
JVL00:53:16my favorite little moment in it is when we meet the obese is that on you sonny wow that's great uh when we meet the obese german science woman the nasa of course because you know right yeah who is sitting in her apartment in cape canaveral watching i believe
Vic00:53:35card sharks yeah i noticed that the host was a wing martindale the host was like practically
JVL00:53:41getting off on wink martindale and i thought to myself because they show him there and you know what that was you can see why an an old nazi lady would have loved young wink martindale actually he kind of does look like an uber mensch and it was always hard for me to tell
Vic00:53:57when and when it wink martindale started into it she's like hey the toupee was like at some point it was very seamless because he had a lot of hair uh and wink martindale a former uh radio guy and good friend of elvis presley really yeah there you go wow okay uh corrections and shout outs again great to see the listeners who came out so uh apologies if i don't mention everybody i mean there were so many people there uh but peter grace who drove all the way up from richmond and the very nice peter daniels ryan shinkel nick pompella who's the new jack butler and of course the guys from the georgetown review jacob adams justin jewer corbin richardson of course tom riley's daughter so and matt robarts yes of course and that s-b-e-u the one and only yeah uh okay that is all the time we are giving to this episode questions comments complaints compliments tweet us at sonny bunch at victorino mattis again be sure to subscribe to us on itunes google play or stitcher just type in sub beacon at a podcast we're there leave a review tell your friends until next time you i just have one thing i wanted to say yes so i you know i go in to check into my hotel before where did you stay oh a small place called the chat wall i just used up our family's entire points on marriott that's like i don't know the chat ball it's like it's like a little boutique super boutique no it's part of marriott but it's like a little respite away from the insanity of times square and it really is insane walking through the street bar by the way sometimes your people push you and shove you get hit it's almost like an inception where like everyone starts noticing you don't belong and you're like you just want to get out of there and you people are yelling are they yelling at me you get in there it was very nice it was a nice little respite i go in and the front desk lady she she when she's very very friendly he's like oh mr she she bowed did she bow because of coronavirus she didn't want to shake my hand or did she bow was that a microaggression did you get microaggression well she herself is also asian but you know they're supposed to be very they're skilled at these things i'm just not sure i'm sure it's fine
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