#67. Under the Silver Lake, the Tenet Trailer, and Pizza Boxes
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Sonny's pick is David Robert Mitchell's Under the Silver Lake, the It Follows follow-up that A24 wanted recut, lost a fight over, and quietly dumped on Blu-ray and DirecTV VOD in 2019 — and he's now seen it four times, reading it as a movie about a Hollywood slacker who proves all his conspiracy theories true and learns that the truth doesn't make him happier, because he still hasn't done the hard work of paying his rent. JVL loves everything about it, calling it half Big Lebowski by way of David Lynch, a love letter and breakup letter to Los Angeles at once, and the kind of puzzle box that rewards obsessives; he explains the Morse-code fireworks, the What Three Words app that maps the globe in ten-foot squares and hides the Barbie-doll clue, and reminisces about his own 1990s LA phase spending a month figuring out how to phone the unlisted Standard Hotel for a room. Vic loathes it, grading plot F, duration F, violence C and sex/nudity A+ for a D+ average, delivering a gleefully garbled synopsis about dog killers and hobos in medieval garb and declaring, "This movie was so boring, I thought it was directed by Terrence Malick," then telling real America not to watch it. The great twist arrives at 48:18, when Vic realizes live on air that he watched the thing starting at 1 a.m. after several martinis, a bottle of red, Blanton's, Maker's Mark and a cigar — though he insists sober Vic would have hated it too. Before that: the Tenet trailer holding on "coming to theaters" with no date, the Twitter blowup over Sonny's suggestion that Warner Bros. try a reverse platform release, the mustachioed pizza-box caricature that started it all, and Vic's 1994 Vienna McDonald's "China Week" box.
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#cdata-section -------------- In this latest episode, we review Under the Silver Lake starring Andrew Garfield. Sonny and JVL can't stop ...
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?00:00:01What the...
Guest00:00:03Who moves out in the middle of the night? Nothing strange about it. She wanted to leave. How does that not make sense? I don't understand why she didn't tell me. Maybe she didn't like you. Maybe she knows you're poor and haven't paid your rent. I found some kind of code or like secret message in her apartment. It means to stay quiet. Our world is filled with codes, subliminal messages. From Silver Lake to the Hollywood Hills. Could any of this be connected to Sarah? I know this girl.
Sonny00:00:34There's a message in the music.
Guest00:00:40Really think you're gonna find a hidden message in a pop song? One, two, three... Can't quite see it, but I'm close. Honey, how are you? Mom, I'm fine. Mostly fine. Um... Why do we assume that all of this information is what we're told it is? Maybe there are people out there who are more... More important than us. More powerful, communicating things in the world that are meant for only them and not for us. Yeah. Oh, you think that's weird?
Sonny00:01:08A little.
Vic00:01:14Hello and welcome to another edition of the Sub-Beacon. I'm Victor Matus along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. Just a reminder, the Sub-Beacon is available on iTunes, Google Play and Stitcher. Look under podcasts and search for Sub-Beacon. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends and leave a review. Gentlemen, how are we? What is going on? JVL, you are back. Yeah. Yeah, I'm back. How was it?
JVL00:01:41It was great. It was great. Everything's always great at the beach. And you have people there. Assuming you're back, that means there are people there? There are filthy, filthy people in my precious little beach house. Oh, okay. Yes. It fills me with joy to be able to be there. To be able to share it with others.
Vic00:01:59Can you screen where they're from?
JVL00:02:02Are you even allowed to answer that? Probably not. The answer is I don't have any idea. I mean, we always read the notes in our guest book because we leave a little guest book out. Oh, right. Right, right, right. And say, "Well, thank you so much. We loved your Roku player." And stuff like that. But we don't. Yeah. No.
Vic00:02:23No. Okay. Like people whose last names end in vowels from New Jersey. I hope not. No. We don't get that.
Sonny00:02:31From the shore. Okay. We don't get that. Sonny. Question. Are you going to have a professional fumigation done in your home before you come back to
JVL00:02:41it? 100%.
Sonny00:02:43I mean, I don't mean like you hire a maid service or whatever to come. No, no. I mean like ET suited.
JVL00:02:49The term of art is deep clean. Deep clean. Oh, yes. Deep clean. A deep clean. There is a deep clean. And then we replaced it with a manufactured hardwood because you don't want real hardwood at the beach because the humidity changes. Yes. Yes. Messes it up. And so that I feel right off the bat makes it like a thousand times cleaner. Yeah. Because carpets are ... Yeah.
Vic00:03:14Right. Also carpet in humidity too. That is also a weird mix. And you get sand in it. Yeah.
JVL00:03:20That's right. That's right. People do that. We had to wait. Funnily enough. It's just like the things you think about. It's just old enough that we could trust that he wouldn't just wipe out every time on the hardwood. Because at the beach, everybody's feet are always wet. And so when we first bought the place, we thought about immediately converting to hardwood. And we didn't because ... You guys remember this, right? When you're like two or three years old and your feet are wet running through a house, you might as well have a floor covered in banana peels. Yeah. Can I ask you guys a couple ... I tweeted you. Yeah. The pizza box? The pizza box. Can we talk about the pizza box for a minute? Sure. Yes. What did you think?
Vic00:04:06Personally, I was not offended. I'm like, "Oh, that's where I want to get my pizza made by a guy who looks like Saddam Hussein." That's what I thought. The big bushy mustache. Hot and delicious.
JVL00:04:16Made just for you. Oh, wait.
Vic00:04:18It didn't say ... It's not like the ... It's not like the one that said that the SNL's good. You like it to pepper. You like it to pepper. You like it to pepper. It's not like ... I think it was ... What does it say? What does the guy say on the pizza box? He says, "Made just for you." Okay. There's no ... You're putting the "uh" there. It just says, "Made just for you." It doesn't say, "Made just for you." No, it doesn't say that. You see the mustaches that all the gentlemen make.
JVL00:04:45Yeah.
Vic00:04:46Of course.
JVL00:04:47Of course. The mustache pizza. Hey, do you know what was made just for Sonny? Hm? What? Christopher Nolan's new trailer for Tenet.
Sonny00:04:53Oh, there you go. Yeah. Hey, how about that transition? Yeah. Pretty excited. I like that.
JVL00:04:59Sonny, how long did you black out for at the end when he just held "coming to theaters" on the screen?
Sonny00:05:06Yeah, but you know what it didn't have was a date.
JVL00:05:10You know what? It doesn't need a date. It's just a statement of purpose. It's coming to theaters. It's coming to theaters at some point. Christopher Nolan is saying that, "By God, this movie is coming to theaters." Yeah. Not coming to your Roku player. Not coming to VOD. Certainly not your Roku player. This is coming to theaters because I'm Christopher effing Nolan.
Sonny00:05:31Yeah. That was nice. That was nice. I have to say I'm in a very weird mood about all of this because I tweeted something to the effect from the Rebeller account that rebellermedia.com runs that just quoting a story from Deadline that said, "If New York and LA aren't open, WB might..." Delay the whole worldwide release of Tenet, that if the New York City and LA theaters aren't open, no Tenet. So I tweeted that and highlighted that portion of the story. And then I followed it up with a reply that said, "Look, what we might want to consider doing if we are WB is releasing a reverse platform strategy, release in other parts of the country and then come to the big cities if the big cities aren't ready yet." Because, in theory, the rest of the world will be ready, and if you're just losing out on a portion of the US market, whatever. And people on Twitter lost their shit at Rebeller. They were like... Were they angry? Oh, yeah. They were like, "This is... What are you doing with this heartland versus the coasts, snobbery, what are you... Culture war. This is culture war. Why are you waging culture war on this website?" And I was like...
Vic00:06:54What you're saying is the people in the city were upset?
Sonny00:06:56Oh, the New York critics were all furious. They were not happy with Rebeller. And I was actually like... It's funny, there are things I tweet that I expect to get a reaction to, right? And there are things I tweet that are completely innocuous, but the things that always get you in the most trouble are the things that you tweet that you think are going to be innocuous and turn out to get a reaction. Because again, I was tweeting out a business of Hollywood story, solely trying to speculate, like, "Well, what if we... What if they tried this different business model instead? What if in an age of pandemic, when different parts of the country are opening at different paces, you open things in a staggered order?" And people just lost their... They completely lost it. And I realized what had happened was I thought I was tweeting about a business of Hollywood story, and what I was actually tweeting was a culture war story, because that's all that exists anymore in relation to the coronavirus. It's either... I'm not wearing any dang mask because of my freedoms. That's the Vic Matus point of view. That didn't sound anything like me. I'm not wearing any dang mask because of my freedoms.
JVL00:08:07And then there's the JVL point of view.
Sonny00:08:10The JVL point of view, which is nobody leave anywhere until the vaccine is here. And obviously, I'm joking and stereotyping both of you to make the broader point.
JVL00:08:19Well, Vic's "my freedoms" thing is only to cover the fact that he can't fit a mask around his head. I mean, really. It's a problem. He's so sensitive about that. It's mostly about envy and resentment. Yeah. That's his cover story.
Vic00:08:32And the mask I wear now, now it's too loose. So now it just dangles.
JVL00:08:36So Sonny, why didn't you just say what you really mean, which is that so long as it comes to Dallas, you're cool?
Sonny00:08:42As long as it premieres in Dallas on July 17th, it plays nowhere else. I don't care. No, I mean, I was actually kind of bummed out about how that all played out. I wouldn't say it has dampened my enthusiasm for the movies, but it has dampened my belief that movies can be a unifying thing to help us get out of this because there is no unifying thing anymore. It's just all petty bullshit all the way down.
JVL00:09:12So you were not bothered by how much of the plot was given away? Because I have to say, I feel as though I got more of an understanding of what this movie was about than I've ever gotten from any Christopher Nolan trailer.
Sonny00:09:25You want me to answer that? How much of that trailer did you understand?
Vic00:09:31That's a problem, Sonny, because I actually kind of think I understood what was happening. What? Which is that people are moving forward, but he's moving backward in time. And so it's like I saw the bullet marks on the window going, "Zup, zup, zup." I'm like, "Oh my gosh, he's turning it back, manipulating time while moving forward." If I got it, they're in trouble. That's all I have to say.
Sonny00:09:53Oh boy. Yeah. Oh boy. Basically. Oh, who knows? Who knows what it is? I watched that and I was just looking at the pretty pictures moving on the screen. I was like, "Oh, this is nice."
JVL00:10:04Did you guys have a freaky Friday while I was at the beach?
Vic00:10:06That's how I felt when I watched Inception the first 10 times. "Oh, this is nice. What's happening here? Is this real? Is this real?" No, no. But there is a great payoff in Inception when you do figure it out. Figure out what's going on because it's a great- During the end credits. During the end credits. When you talk to your wife. She has to explain most things to me. That is still true, by the way, to this day. Anyway, okay. Victorino, how are you? I'm doing fine. When you were talking about the pizza boxes, it reminded me of a story that I told a long time ago, I think, in The Substandard. It was about when I lived in Vienna, Austria, and McDonald's in Austria did a special China week. Sheena Vocha. Oh boy. And they gave out, it was like tempura chicken, chicken tempura, rather, and they came in these little red boxes. You cannot find them anywhere, and this is 1994, and on them it had the caricature of a Chinese guy, yeah, just like that, with the slant eyes, Fu Manchu, and buck teeth.
JVL00:11:15At least it wasn't Ronald McDonald with slant eyes, Fu Manchu, and buck teeth.
Vic00:11:19No, no, no, no. It was a genuine Chinaman. It was a real Chinaman. A Chinaman, as they would say in- Austria.
Sonny00:11:26Got to get canceled for the fourth time this week after people listen to this. Yes.
Vic00:11:30I know. That was Vic Matus.
Sonny00:11:32That was me.
Vic00:11:33I'm allowed to say that. Vic Matus is allowed. And I just remember thinking, even then, in '95, I'm like, "I don't know. This doesn't seem right." And so I should have just saved the box, because I would have gotten a lot of mileage out of that. I remember in Vienna also being mistaken for a Chinese waiter. The worst part was the guy who mistook me was a Chinese waiter. What? I was walking down the street, and there was this guy running after me and talking in my... I said, "He can't be talking to me. He cannot be talking to me in Chinese. I refuse." And so I kept on walking. And then finally, I'm at the crosswalk near in the Kärntner Ring, and I turn around, and it was a guy in a Chinese uniform, a waiter uniform, and he looks at me and goes, "Oh, sorry. I thought you were someone else."
JVL00:12:20He has an uncle with an enormous head.
Vic00:12:22Yeah, I guess. It must have been his uncle with an enormous head. And I thought, "Well, it doesn't get better than that," until the time where an Austrian guy asked me if I was Turkish, because they just don't know what to make of me sometimes. Yes. Whoa, what was that noise? Okay. You know what I watched recently? It's hard to find a... It's easy for me to watch movies with my son, but not with my son and daughter. So sometimes Kate is busy doing work stuff. They do these night seminars and stuff, and so she's got a Zoom. And so I'm like, "I don't want to leave just one of the kids and just watch a movie with just the other one." Sure. You just watch it with the favorite. You tell the other one to go read a book. So that goes back and forth. And so we ended up watching "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" from 1989, and let me tell you something. That movie does not hold up. Wasn't any good the first time.
JVL00:13:14The Rick Moranis.
Vic00:13:15Who's the wife? Yes. And it was also... No, that was the thing. It was a Rick Moranis vehicle with no other stars but Rick Moranis. He was a big enough star on the heels of Ghostbusters. It was weird. That's how big Ghostbusters was.
JVL00:13:26It turned Rick Moranis into a star.
Vic00:13:28That's right. I mean, it was his own. It was a Disney. It was a goofy. And it was like a Disney movie, like blubber Disney style movie.
JVL00:13:34You know what I mean? When Disney used to make silly movies like that. That movie was so big that it got turned into a theme park ride.
Vic00:13:40I thought so. I was telling the kids. I thought I could have sworn they did a whole thing where basically it's just enormous props, right? You're riding through props.
Sonny00:13:49They made like three sequels to that movie.
Vic00:13:50Yeah. It was like... "Honey, I Blew Up the Kids." And then I don't know what the third was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was insane.
?00:13:59The only thing was the girl.
Vic00:14:00She was really great in that movie. So that was... Wow.
JVL00:14:03Yeah.
Vic00:14:04That was awesome.
JVL00:14:05But I looked her up now.
Vic00:14:06I looked her up now. She's 25 now?
?00:14:08No.
Vic00:14:09No. It was really disturbing. She was like, "I wish I never did this. I wish I never did the Google image of the actress." She's 49. That's gross. I'm kidding.
JVL00:14:18You know, we watched something, Sonny, I think this might even warm your cold black heart. Disney Plus did-
Sonny00:14:27Unlikely.
JVL00:14:28A couple of Disney sing-alongs. They were quarantine shot and it's just a bunch of people in the Disney mafia and you realize what... Like the descendants? Any of them. So like Don Cheadle is in there. Why? Because he's in the Marvel movies. I mean, the extent to which joining any Disney production is like joining one of the five is amazing.
Vic00:14:55Right. No. They'll call in anybody and you'll be like, "What? Do I have to do this?" And they're like, "Oh yeah. You didn't read that fine print?" Yeah. It's all there.
JVL00:15:03Page 700. But it was incredibly charming because they just had various people who were connected to Disney in some way singing like three minute versions of Disney songs on their computers. And everybody is like in their kitchen or in their family room and you could tell exactly who is in New York and who is in LA because everybody in LA has tons of space and everybody in New York, even the big stars, is essentially in a closet. Yeah. An ornate closet. But a closet. Yeah. Not even. I mean, if you're on Broadway, you're not that rich. Sure. And it's incredibly charming and I highly recommend it. I bet your daughter would love it and I bet your daughter would love it as well, Sonny.
Sonny00:15:44Hard pass. What? I'll look into it.
JVL00:15:47This is like the shared feeling of pandemic times and it's awesome.
Sonny00:15:52The only shared feeling. The only shared feeling in pandemic times is anger and hatred. That's what blows through us all.
Vic00:16:01Are you in better spirits, Sonny, and what's the drinking level going on over there?
Sonny00:16:06Ooh. Hi. Hi. I actually, I wasn't sure what bottle to bring over today so I just grabbed like the first top that I saw and it turned out to be the Woodford Reserve Distillers Select. Oh, that's good.
Vic00:16:21Rye.
Sonny00:16:22Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty good.
Vic00:16:24That's excellent. Okay.
JVL00:16:26We let him pick the movie and everything this week, Vic. Oh, yes.
Vic00:16:29We sure did. Is there anything else you want to talk about before we get to that?
JVL00:16:36Not for me. I want to spend 50 minutes on this movie.
Vic00:16:39Okay, great. So people were wondering and there was some guessing games going on on Twitter about it because I said, "Oh, you recommended a movie that only scored on one of the quadrants." One listener actually got it right, I'm sorry I don't have my phone with me so I forget who our friends said it, but he said, "You must have seen Under the Silver Lake," because I said, "This movie makes no sense." Sonny, when did this movie come out?
Sonny00:17:05Last year, Vic. It came out in 2019. It was supposed to come out in 2018, actually. It has kind of an interestingly convoluted history to it. Basically, so this is the follow-up film from the director. The director of It Follows, which was a clever horror-thriller-type movie, the premise of which was, basically, if you have sex with somebody who is being haunted by this poltergeist-type spirit, the poltergeist will then haunt you until you have sex with someone and then you pass it on.
Vic00:17:44No one would ever haunt me. Is that what you're saying?
Sonny00:17:46Yeah. It's the sort of movie that appeals to us, because we'll be safe forever. David Robert Mitchell is this guy's name. His much-Ballyhooed follow-up was Under the Silver Lake, and it was produced by A24, which is the hip boutique indie label. It debuted at Cannes in 2018, and got very mixed responses. And A24 was like, "Okay, we're going to recut it." And my understanding is that David Robert Mitchell was like, "No, we're not going to recut it." And they kind of went back and forth. And A24 and Lionsgate ended up dumping it on Blu-ray and DirecTV VOD in the first half of 2019. So the backstory on this is kind of interesting in and of itself. The movie is, I find to be, endlessly fascinating, and it defies easy description.
JVL00:18:52I was going to dare you to give a plot summary. Yeah.
Vic00:18:54Under 15 minutes. Oh, I can't. I wrote it. I wrote it, JV. I wrote a synopsis for our listeners. Yo, please. Please do. Vic, can you give it the big boy review? Vic, where's the big boy review? I'm so excited. Okay. Here we go. Ready. Under the Silver Lake, someone has been killing dogs in LA. Who? These people who bark like dogs. That's who. They eat them. And it's based on a local guy's comic strip. But we never meet that guy. A rich man goes missing and is presumed dead, but he's not. He's living under the Hollywood sign with a woman Andrew Garfield has a crush on. He searches for her, but he can't find her because she's under the Hollywood sign. But he finds a guy who has written a lot of popular songs, like the Cheers theme song and Smells Like Teen Spirit. Andrew Garfield kills him. There's also a hobo in medieval garb. Don't keep dog biscuits in your pocket. Don't get into limos with pirates. The end.
?00:19:47Fair enough. That's fair.
Sonny00:19:49Yeah. So the movie is about a Hollywood... It's actually pretty good. Yeah, it's not bad. It's about a Hollywood slacker who, instead of trying to figure out how to pay his rent in five days, gets lost in a mystery that he solves, that proves his theories on the ways of the world. And he realizes that learning the truth does not actually make him happier, that he was not doing the hard work of improving himself. And that is why he is unhappy. That's what's really happening in this movie. And there's all sorts of little plots. It's a very capitalist reading. Well, it's what it is. It's what it is. And the movie, I mean, look, there are all sorts of twists and turns and what have you. As Vic said, this young man is infatuated with a woman played by Riley Keough, who goes missing in the first 30 minutes or so of the film, and the rest of the movie is nominally about his attempt to find her. But what it is really about is the Hollywood entertainment industrial complex and why obsessing over it and letting it drive your spirit and your will and your being will not make you happy. It will only make you sad. That is like my honor. That is like after four viewings, this is what I have. That's four too many. That's what my big takeaway from the film is. But you know, look, it's a deeply fascinating movie on just a structural level. It is, you know, as JVL put it, it's half the Big Lebowski by way of David Lynch, more or less, right? Like it's, it is, it is, it is noirish and twisty and turny, but also extremely surreal, but not surreal, not so surreal in the Lynchian way that it's like, you know, what is happening? What isn't happening? It, it, it's, it's kind of clear and obvious what isn't happening, what is happening throughout, I think, um, uh, it just is, is you, they mix the dreams and, and the reality so thoroughly that it is hard, uh, it, it can be, it can be a little bit tricky the first time around. This is why I strongly recommend a second viewing for Vic.
Vic00:22:15Let me tell you something. If I wanted to watch a movie about secret codes, I'd watch National Treasure, JVL.
Sonny00:22:23Wait, wait, before we get to JVL, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to postulate what I think some of the, what I think some of the Vic questions for this movie are.
JVL00:22:32Can you do a VQ, uh, Vic, Vic Julie asked questions, like VAQ?
Sonny00:22:41Uh, I don't think I can do, I don't want to do, I don't want to, I don't want to try to mock Vic, uh, and do his voice, but I will, I will say here's, here's what I assume the big question is. All right, let me see. What's with that owl lady? Is Andrew Garfield the dog killer?
Vic00:22:55Oh, no, it didn't even get that far.
Sonny00:22:57Oh, you didn't even get that far.
Vic00:22:58That's way too complex for me, Sonny.
Sonny00:23:00Okay. Okay.
Vic00:23:02Whoa! How did that?
Sonny00:23:04Mind, mind blown. Mind blown. How did that, how did that owl lady get into the house?
Vic00:23:07Okay. Well, yes, yes. I forgot about that one. Yeah. Go ahead.
Sonny00:23:12Will she come to my house? How do I get a tomb under the Hollywood sign filled with attractive ladies?
JVL00:23:17And can we have more than food for six months? Okay. Uh, okay. Do you have more questions? Cause I have, that's pretty good. Let me see.
Sonny00:23:25Uh, no, no. I had, I had, God, I had another one. Um, uh, oh, and I forget what it is.
JVL00:23:31How did he write both the theme to Cheers? Yeah.
Sonny00:23:34And Billy Joel. How did one man write songs for hundreds of years?
Vic00:23:39Why is it a problem that he wrote the songs? Why is he so upset about it? Okay. Uh, we never find out who kills the dogs. That's kind of a throwaway, isn't it? It's just like, eh.
Sonny00:23:50It's definitely Andrew Garfield. Oh. Andrew Garfield's definitely the dog killer. It's not, it's not explicitly stated at any point, but it is, that is, that's my, my...
Vic00:23:58It's like I heard for, okay, all right, uh, what about the guy who writes the comic book? What's that all about?
Sonny00:24:03What do you mean?
Vic00:24:04He's talking to a guy who writes the comic book and then it's about this thing that's happening under the Silver Lake. It's based on his comic book. What's happening there? What's the point of that?
Sonny00:24:14What happened? Again, the whole, the whole point of this movie is that, is that this character, he believes in conspiracy theories. People are trying to send messages, uh, through Vanna White's like head turns and blinks and nods and lyrics and songs and whatever, and he finds out that he's totally right. That all of these things are real. He learns, he learns that the secrets that he has chased after this entire time, they're real, and then he gets on the phone with Riley Keough at the end and she asks him a very simple question. She says, "How, how are you doing?" And he just breaks. He's like, "Not great." Because he's not doing great. Because his, his life is tragic. He's trash. And learning the truth of all this stuff doesn't make his life any better.
JVL00:24:56If only he would get a job and buy things.
Sonny00:24:58If he would get a job and pay his rent, he'd be so much happier.
JVL00:25:02If he could just go on to Amazon.com, Lord Bezos would give him happiness delivered to his door in 24 hours. I did, I did.
Vic00:25:09Sonny, Sonny, I did like seeing you in the movie.
Sonny00:25:11I had Jimmy Simpsons in it. He's great.
Vic00:25:14Who is Jimmy Simpson?
Sonny00:25:15He's always good. He's always good. He's the, he's the, uh, he's his friend. Agent friend. He's Agent, or Andrew Garfield's friend. He looks nothing like him. Yeah, like an actor friend. I've never understood. Yeah, I don't get it.
Vic00:25:24I've never understood. He's white and he's got a goatee and mustache.
Sonny00:25:26Okay.
Vic00:25:27See, that's racist. JVL. What did you think about, your turn, your turn. Hold on. I'm done, I'm done.
JVL00:25:32No, Victorino. Oh, what? Did you really not like it?
Vic00:25:35Are you a quadrant?
JVL00:25:36I thought it was terrible.
Vic00:25:37I didn't get it. There's a lot of nudity. Yeah, well, one of the quadrants. Okay, so plot. Typically all that, that's all you need is for it to kill in one quadrant. Plot is F, all right. Duration is F. Maybe it's only two hours, ten minutes. I give, it felt like five hours. Violence was a C. He does kill the guy with the guitar. Oh, come on.
Sonny00:25:55The scene. The guitar? The scene. The songwriter scene, but also where he beats up the boy scouts, the kids, where he beats them. That's so good.
Vic00:26:02That was pretty good. Okay, okay. And sex nudity is A+. So it averaged to a D+.
JVL00:26:07Wow.
Vic00:26:08Yeah. This movie was so boring, I thought it was directed by-
JVL00:26:11You're a tough, tough grader, Vic.
Vic00:26:13This movie was so boring, I thought it was directed by Terrence Malick.
?00:26:17Wow.
Sonny00:26:18Wow. Wow. Wow. Terrible.
Vic00:26:22Terrible. Really, I just thought it was a lot of navel-gazing. It's like, what's the point? Get over yourself.
JVL00:26:26Okay, JVL. I loved everything about it, and it's one of these movies that's so ambitious.
Vic00:26:33There was no point to this movie. There was no point.
JVL00:26:36I've already told you what the point is. The point was that he doesn't know what to do with his life, is his point, and I have
Vic00:26:42to spend two and a half hours watching him go, "Oh, what's happening with me?
Sonny00:26:46I don't want to pay the rent." He's externalized his point. He's externalized his problems when they were actually inside him the whole time.
Vic00:26:51Yeah. Well, just keep him inside.
JVL00:26:53That's my advice. Well, I mean, it's a bunch of different things. I mean, it's a breakup movie, right, because this is all about him being broken up by his model girlfriend, which is what turns him into the dog killer in the first place, right, and sends him on this pathway. Yeah. So it functions as a breakup movie. It functions as a puzzle box, because the movie is stuffed full of codes and ciphers, and if you go onto Reddit, you will find... People who have spent thousands and thousands of hours collectively trying to undo all of the different riddles, like, for instance, the fireworks when he is standing outside with Riley Keough in the night. The fireworks are Morse code, and the Morse code spells out something like, you know, the awakening is tomorrow or the ascension is tomorrow. So it rewards people who are obsessive about it in ways that kind of like the Westing game when we were kids. Did you read that, Vic, or was that too complicated for you?
Vic00:27:50What is it? Is that a comic book? You didn't? It's like a young adult classic. Never heard of it. No. I never read books. When we were 12.
JVL00:27:58I never read books. Go ahead. They didn't assign that in school, the Westing game.
Vic00:28:01No. No. Never. I'm shocked your sixth grade English class didn't have you. Never.
JVL00:28:06I've never even heard of it. Didn't have you read that. No. Never heard of it. But then on top of it, it has this bizarre Lynchian originality to it. It's a love letter and a breakup letter to Hollywood at the same time. It's a love letter and a breakup letter to Hollywood at the same time. It's a love letter and a breakup letter to Hollywood at the same time. And a movie that is almost literally about Los Angeles. So they filmed one of the scenes on the pool deck at the Standard Hotel. I remember when the Standard Hotel opened. It opened up right when like '97, '98, back when I was like in my LA phase and going out there all the time. And I remember when I was like 22 going to Los Angeles, it felt like the whole city was written in code. So the hippest hotel in, you know, on the strip was the Standard, it was even cooler than Chateau Marmont for a little bit. And you couldn't, like they had no website, you couldn't, the phone number was not listed. Like it was an adventure just trying to get a room at the Standard. And I was like, I was so over the moon when after like a month of trying, I found a way to call the Standard Hotel and get a get a room there. And like all of the coolest restaurants were unlisted, and with no even storefront. Like, you know, the cool restaurant would be a place where you had to like park in an alley and you could only get there if you knew somebody and the whole city was just full of like weird people and, you know, I, I don't know, I remember walking around Studio City with like Ahmaud Zappa and John Badham's daughter and like, like the pirate guy is like a thing you would see in LA and it would be totally normal, like the guy dressed up as a pirate jumping in a limo. It's just a weird, weird town and it is a town that is written in a sort of hidden secret code, unlike literally any other city in America and maybe even any other city in the world. And I just loved everything, everything about it. Sonny, I was so happy watching this movie.
Sonny00:30:03It really, there's, it's funny.
JVL00:30:05Listen to me.
Vic00:30:06Real America, listen to me, do not watch this movie. It is not for us.
Sonny00:30:11Somebody, somebody, somebody described this movie as, uh, like kind of sneeringly described it as the place. It's the sort of movie where the guy who's been in LA for like five minutes films, all of the cool places he's seen in LA, like the standard, uh, or the, the grave with the famous Hollywood grave, uh, yard, you know, um, uh, and, and, you know, it was like, oh, well, this is so, this is so kind of like a nouveau nouveau riche gauche, you know, like, and I was like, well, you know, yes, but also he, he does it in a way that makes it, he, he, the whole movie is about how Hollywood warps people and like how it, how it kind of destroys them and like creates these unrealistic expectations and like also, also just leads people on. I mean, like that, that ridiculous and also kind of fantastic and surreal shot where, uh, Andrew Garfield sees a woman in like short shorts walking down the street. And then all of a sudden he sees like three more going, uh, all toward the same place. And they're going to an audition, which is just in some guy's garage. And it's like these, it's like 10 hot women going into a garage where a guy essentially dressed up as hookers, like where a guy in a like wife beater and shorts is like scratching his belly and being like, yeah, come on in, come, you know, make your dreams. It's, it, it, it is, it, I, I find it deeply fascinating. I like, I've, I, like I said, I've watched it four times now and I just, I, I keep finding little, and this is without doing any of the like Reddit deep dives into like what all the codes, like what all the graffiti on all the walls means or, or any of that stuff.
JVL00:31:59This is just like, are you taking a crap? Yeah, I think you're struggling to push one out.
Vic00:32:04You're, you're causing me such terrible sphincteral pain right now. Listening to this bullshit. I'm telling you it's, it's, it's pointless. The, the, and she code. Okay. You know, I mean, I get if you live Hollywood, you're in Hollywood, go, go enjoy it, you know, but I mean, it's not for me. I just, I just did not, I did not get, I did not get this movie. I did not get this movie.
JVL00:32:26You didn't like the, I mean, cause there's, it reminded me a lot of vertigo.
Vic00:32:30It reminded me of vertigo. I didn't like vertigo.
JVL00:32:33The score, the whole score is very Hitchcockian. Right. Yeah. So it reminded me of that.
Vic00:32:37I get that in a little bit of rear window, obviously. So there's a lot of Hitchcock homage to that, but, it was funny. Well, but there's nothing funny about this movie. I just found nothing compelling in any way.
JVL00:32:50When he beats the piss out of the 12 year old kids who are keying people's cars. You know, it's funny. That scene is hilarious. When I, it was hilarious. And I laughed out loud.
Vic00:32:59I enjoyed their, I enjoyed their comeuppance, but I'm again, I'm like.
JVL00:33:02But I, I was reading something about it afterwards. Like last night I was fascinated by it. So I just like kept reading about, about Under the Silver Lake. And this seems to be like a scene that Andrew Garfield and the director apologized. For and I'm like, well, we're not endorsing it. We're just, you know, we're just showing this part of his pathology. And I was like, they were vandalizing cars. Yeah. 100% endorsed.
Sonny00:33:24Those kids had it coming. Absolutely.
JVL00:33:25On the cars. Absolutely. Those kids had it coming. The, the, the, the composer bit was amazing.
Sonny00:33:36Like everything.
JVL00:33:37So the songwriter is the song, right? So when he goes and confronts the songwriter, the songwriter is essentially Satan, right? And it literally is like the devil went down to Georgia. He's like, yeah, I, I'd put all the messages in your pop songs.
Vic00:33:46Is the actor wearing a lot of makeup to make him look old? Is he, is he just made to look old? Or is he an actually old person?
Sonny00:33:54No, it's, it's, it's an actor made to look old, except it's not like a famous actor or anything. It's, it's the weirdest. It's just some random guy that they put an old age.
Vic00:34:02I wondered if it was somebody famous.
JVL00:34:03But murder, murdering him with Kurt Cobain's guitar didn't make you laugh out loud.
Vic00:34:08No, I was like, what, what, what is the point of this? I just, I just didn't, didn't get it.
JVL00:34:13How, how about, so, uh, the, the, the quasi girlfriend who keeps showing up to have sex with Andrew Garfield dressed in,
Sonny00:34:23she's wearing a dirndl hooker outfit. Well, porn, porn. And he says, and he says,
JVL00:34:27where are you coming from? She's like, Oh, from an audition. Yeah. And he just accepts, Oh sure. Like that's a normal, she's obviously a hooker.
Sonny00:34:35Well, I, I, I, my rate on that is slightly different. I think she's a, she's a porn star. I think she's going to like porn stars. Oh,
JVL00:34:41you think she's going to porn shoots and not, cause when she says auditions, I thought, yeah, really funny. I, I, man, everything, the legend of Zelda stuff, Victorino.
Vic00:34:51I, I'd never played the Nintendo stuff. I never had,
JVL00:34:54you were not a super Nintendo guy. Never owned one.
Sonny00:34:57This is, this is, it really is a movie that is like very narrow, narrow. It's God. Another, another thing somebody said about this, uh, is that, you know, the, the director is, is JVL in your age. I think he's about 10 years older than me, but they cast a guy who's essentially my age. A couple of years younger. And so it doesn't actually quite, it's like this guy who's having, like, he's going through all of the Gen X nostalgia, except it's a millennial aged guy. So it doesn't quite work. I like the music. The music was projection. And, uh, I, and the, the band, so the Jesus and the brides of, uh,
JVL00:35:33brides of Dracula,
Sonny00:35:34brides of Jack,
JVL00:35:35their music is great.
Sonny00:35:36There is, so that's a band called the Silver Sun Pickups, which was a big LA band in like 2007 to 2017. Or so like very, very popular. Um, uh, and very big in that scene. So there's, there's just like another little connection there. I don't know. I, I, again, I like, I'm not surprised Vic didn't like it. I, this, that was like the least surprising result of all this, but I am, I'm gratified.
Vic00:36:02I appreciate that there's some sex annuity in movies because you don't see that anymore.
Sonny00:36:06I, I, I am, I really, I am really gratified that you were, you were into it, JVL.
JVL00:36:10So I, here's the other thing that I liked about it though.
Sonny00:36:13I,
JVL00:36:14I feel as though it's the type of movie that more people will hate than love, but that they'll hate it in interesting ways.
Sonny00:36:23Well, it's definitely, it's a, I feel like it's a zero or five star movie. Um, which are, which are, which are the ones that are always the most interesting. I also think that it's a movie that roughly zero women will like, despite the fact that it is throughout an extended critique of the male gaze and the distorting effects it has on, uh, on women and society. In general,
JVL00:36:44I think it's talking about asking Shannon to watch it with me. You think she would not be down for that?
Sonny00:36:49I would be curious if she liked it. I watched it with Beth. She did not care for it. I watched it with her. Good for Beth.
JVL00:36:56She's got a lot of sense, that girl.
Sonny00:36:58The fourth time I watched it was her first time.
JVL00:37:01Vic, did you have Kate watch it with you? No. Did you let Mike watch it?
Vic00:37:05No, no. I, it's like, I don't know. Sometimes I think, you know, you guys watch so many movies now that it takes a big movie for you guys. It has to be something weird and unusual for you to like anymore. It's like you've become porn stars. Like normal, like normal sex with one person. Porn addicts. It's like normal sex with one person is just not going to cut it anymore. It's got to involve animals, non-consensual, all sorts of explosions. Leashes. Leashes, all implements, you know. Oh, that's interesting. You know, but the regular, ah, you know, it's like this anymore. You see so much of it. You see so much. I mean, you know, it's all numb. You're all numb to it.
JVL00:37:40I texted J-Pod this morning. Oh, good. Have you seen, I don't know, Silver Lake? He said, no. And I said, look, I'm positive you will hate it, but I kind of want to beg you to watch it and just listen to you talk about it for an hour. Yes, yes. I was thinking the exact same thing. Because again, it's a movie that John would have an interesting negative reaction to. Yeah, that's right. No?
Sonny00:37:58I think he would. No, I think he would. I mean, look, again, the linchpin of the whole thing is the songwriter scene, which is like, it's the most interestingly staged and filmed and like, I think most fully thought through in its own way scene. And it, it really is. I mean, it's a, it's a, it is a, I don't know if it's a damning critique exactly of the, the pop nostalgia industry. But it is certainly, it is certainly a shot across the bow. And I, I think it, I think JVL or J-Pod in particular would have a, would have a pretty interesting take on, on, on how that shakes out.
JVL00:38:42Why can't Netflix make, make Under the Silver Lake? This is the thing about Netflix. Why would they want to make that movie?
Sonny00:38:51Why are you asking that movie?
Vic00:38:53That's such a terrible question. They make bad enough stuff as it is.
Sonny00:38:56The problem is, I think they've made stuff that's kind of like this, like The Oa, The O-A. That show was like kind of weird and spacey and dreamy, but I didn't watch it. And I, I barely know anyone who did. And this is the problem with Netflix, right? Is that if you, if you have something that is weird and targeted to a niche audience, nobody will ever find it on Netflix.
Vic00:39:19Yeah, I guess that's right. Also, I was going to say, but the other thing about Netflix, sometimes there's some stuff I like, but a lot of times there are movies that are just, they can spend a gazillion dollars and it'll just be okay. You know, a mediocre movie, but they'll spend a gazillion dollars on it.
Sonny00:39:34But mediocrity is in a way what Netflix aspires to. I mean, Netflix is the thing that you watch while you're doing something else, while you're running or whatever. So yeah. And like, there's, there's nothing wrong with that. Exactly. On, on one of my other podcasts on across the movie aisle, Peter Suderman suggested that one of the reasons that Michael Bay was happy to work with Netflix is because he wanted to get the user data on like what users like turn off at what times and what they stick around for to like kind of engineer his movie around that, which I think is an interesting, like an interesting idea, but also, an interesting kind of way to think about Michael Bay, the kind of most populist of filmmakers. And that is, that is what Netflix is trying to do. Netflix doesn't have any interest in making a movie that people turn off after 20 minutes because they have no idea what's happening in it. That's not what their business model is.
JVL00:40:31Is that true? I mean, it seems like people turn off a whole lot of their movies after 20 minutes or two.
Sonny00:40:36Well, nobody knows. Nobody knows. Vic,
JVL00:40:39who was the hottest girl in the movie? You know, let's talk about something.
Vic00:40:43I did like, I did like Riley Keough and I knew she was in the movie and yet I did not recognize her in the movie, but there she was. And obviously didn't see a lot of her. I would say definitely not the last lady in the end. Oh, you didn't like the neighbor with the parrot? Oh, I forgot.
Sonny00:40:59I forgot one of my Vic questions. What's with the parrot? I forgot one of my Vic questions. What's the parrot saying? No, I forgot. I forgot what, I forgot one of my Vic questions was, what's the parrot saying?
Vic00:41:07At which point I was like, you know, I was just going to just blow my brains out. Yes. I was going to say, you know, weirdly enough, this is funny. We had a conversation before I watched the movie and Kate was talking to the kids and she was talking about hobo codes because Kate's grandmother would, you would mark. She was a hobo. She was a hobo. No, you would mark on your house or on a mailbox these secret codes up in, you know, upstate New York in the 1930s and 40s and hobos would know it's a safe place to come for food and they'd come on, you know, and they'd just come on out and then they'd explain to their kids, oh, these are people who are on their, you know, they're wanderers and they do this or that but it was a different, hobo is a, because I think we were trying to explain what a hobo is and then it's different than just homeless. It was just a different thing and it was from that time period and like, you know, trailers for sale or rent, that kind of a thing but anyway, hobo codes and, you know, you mark them down so it's funny to see in the movie that, you know, the codes.
JVL00:42:13What did you think about the, the what three words aspect to it? What do you mean?
Vic00:42:19What three words? You didn't, you didn't pick up on that?
JVL00:42:22No.
Vic00:42:22The what three words? No. What is that?
JVL00:42:25What are you talking about? So, one of the codes and ciphers in the movie is that there is a, an app and the app is called What Three Words. Three is a number, the numeral, not spelled out and this company has done this very interesting mapping project where they have taken the entire surface of the globe and divided it into ten foot by ten foot squares and made it so that you can define any ten foot by ten foot square on the planet by three words. And so you just navigate, you get out the app, you point it to like any little patch of ten feet anywhere in the world and it gives you the three word code for it. And that, that is a lot of what is going on in Under the Silver Lake. So the, when he is with Riley Keough in her room in the beginning and there are the three Barbie dolls up by the TV when they're watching, they each have a name and then a word underneath and the three words that they have when you plug them into the What Three Words website take you to the, the place where he winds up at the end with the, you know, up by the Hollywood Hill sign. And so there's like this real life intersection with the movie life of it and, no, so you didn't pick up on that? That's not? Not at all. Not at all. I was so bored out of my mind. Do you want me to find the What Three Words for your house? It's okay, no. No. Later on.
Vic00:43:58Anyway, yeah. How about that? Teen Bureau Dress. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I just, you know, I think, obviously, when you're approaching it with a certain mentality or, you know, a mindset, then you expect a certain movie, I guess, and you guys were already geared into that. I was expecting a very much more normal movie. Did you like Twin Peaks? And I'm like, what is happening? Never watched Twin Peaks. When we were in high school, so you didn't do Twin Peaks.
JVL00:44:31I'm trying to think of, Mulholland Drive? No. No. Now, that scored higher on a Quadrant thing. Yeah, I know, I know.
Vic00:44:37Well, I mean, then that's dead. You know, I mean, I saw Mulholland Drive and think on Daily Motion, but, you know, when in doubt, that's a recurring punchline, by the way.
JVL00:44:46Okay.
Vic00:44:47Yeah. No. Yeah, no. Not for me, too. I'm much more conventional. As you can tell, my tastes are much more conventional. You know what, I had an easy plot. Honey, I shrunk the kids. That's a very easy plot. JVO, go ahead. You had to do something. You know, I know. I mean, yeah.
JVL00:45:04No.
Vic00:45:06I am amazed. I know. I surprised you.
JVL00:45:08I surprised you with my banality. The Owl Lady. Did you like The Owl Lady?
Vic00:45:13Yeah, I mean, I guess. I don't know what's happening there.
JVL00:45:16You know, there was one very... We all knew about the owl on the dollar.
Vic00:45:19I mean, this is not, you know, like, what?
?00:45:21You know?
JVL00:45:22There's one very...
Vic00:45:23He didn't know... Andrew Garfield did not know about the owl?
JVL00:45:25Deep observation in it, which is when Sam, the Andrew Garfield character, goes on a rant about why he hates the homeless. He says they're like poltergeists. You know, these people who can't partake in the world that we live in and they just sit on the outside of it trying to ruin our... That's a very interesting way of thinking about the homeless. Horrible, but interesting.
Sonny00:45:50And I thought to myself...
JVL00:45:51Horrible. As I thought... As that was going on, I literally thought to myself, Sonny is all over this. I mean... Yeah. The bums won! They're bullies. You had your moment, Mr. Lebowski. No, this is...
Sonny00:46:03This is what Andrew Garfield says and I think it's basically right. When he's not killing the dogs, he's being bullied by homeless people. And that's why the homeless, King, is such a weird character for him.
JVL00:46:16Do you think he stops killing the dogs at the end? I think he does. I think that by the end, he's given up dog killing.
Vic00:46:23Is this why he's got dog biscuits in his pocket?
Sonny00:46:27Yes, Victorino. Yes, Vic.
Vic00:46:29That's why he... It's not... I saw it and I just... At that point, I just didn't give a shit. So I was just like, huh, he's got dog biscuits in his pocket. I don't know why.
JVL00:46:37And he doesn't even know he's doing it. He's killing the dogs when he's...
Sonny00:46:41Well, I think that's... That's possible, too, that he is like... You know what?
Vic00:46:44I feel like the fight club isn't enough for me. You know? That's it. It's been there, done that.
JVL00:46:51Hmm. Interesting. So you didn't like his sometimes girlfriend and the candy striper outfit and all that? That didn't do anything for you, Victorino?
Sonny00:46:58What about Balloon Girl?
JVL00:47:00What about Balloon Girl, Victorino?
Vic00:47:02Yeah, which one was Balloon Girl?
Sonny00:47:03The one who gets the balloons popped on her?
Vic00:47:06Oh, yeah, she was great. I thought she... I liked her. She was very cute.
Sonny00:47:09Because in Hollywood, everyone gets a poke. I mean, that is literally what that scene is doing. It's like she's this ingenue who is actually a escort and it's her tangential relationship to the business that makes her a prized sexual commodity.
JVL00:47:29Did you not like the idea of a Catch a Rising Star escort service, Victorino? That didn't do anything for you? It's like a comedy club, Catch a Rising Star, but for hookers. No.
Vic00:47:42I was so bored out of my mind. Really? Yeah.
JVL00:47:49That fascinates me.
Vic00:47:50I don't remember that, Catch a Rising Star. I don't know what you're talking about. It's the whole thing. It was just like, I think I just glazed over, you know? Were you drinking? No, I wasn't. Oh, I did. I came back. Oh, yeah. I had been, oh. I take it back. I was drunk.
Sonny00:48:07I was hammered. I can't remember any of the movies.
Vic00:48:09We saw our friends at a social distance to McCormick's and I had a couple of, yes, we did. And I had, yeah. Hi, John. I had some, yeah, they listened to it. And they're pretty sure they have antibodies. And then after a few drinks, I said, well, there's one way I can find out. And I think they took it the wrong way. I don't know what I just said by taking the test. That's what I said, JVL. I said by taking the test. What?
Sonny00:48:34Shouldn't have put your tongue in John's mouth.
Vic00:48:36I'm talking about John, by the way. Anyway, look at JVL. You're right. I had come back. So I had several martinis. I had several martinis. And then we finished off a bottle of red wine. And then I switched to bourbon, Blanton's. And then I had Maker's Mark. And then I smoked a cigar. Oh. Are you kidding? Is this shtick?
JVL00:48:58No, that's not true. It's all true. So you were hammered and you couldn't understand.
Vic00:49:02I popped it in because I said we got to watch tomorrow because I thought we were watching it like the next day.
Sonny00:49:06So you were very drunk and you were a little bit high because you had a cigar. Are you telling me?
Vic00:49:11That if I watch this sober, it might have been a different reaction? I kid you not. I'm just realizing this now live at 4818. When you asked me that, I said no. And there's no, oh, wait a minute. I had come back that night and I finished. It was like 1 a.m. when the movie ended.
JVL00:49:27You know, he's exactly like an old married Sam. He doesn't even know when he's out of it. He wakes up in the graveyard and he's like, what's up? Where am I?
Sonny00:49:38He killed like six dogs just today.
JVL00:49:41Well, I think we should do a second version of the show.
Sonny00:49:45We should do an Under the Silver Lake redux next week after Vic has watched it sober.
Vic00:49:51No wonder I'm just drinking water. And I'm so parched. I got like cotton mouth. So anyway. Okay. Good show, guys. Wow. I guess that explains that. But I still didn't like it. I'll say that. I still didn't like it. Okay.
JVL00:50:04Fair enough. Sonny, one question for you. Yeah. Who kills the billionaire daughter? Who shoots her? Great question. Great question. Does Andrew Garfield kill her?
Sonny00:50:14The homeless king. Well, no, because the bullets are coming from. Oh, right. They're both in the water.
JVL00:50:19Well, sure. But he's not an entirely reliable narrator on all these points.
Sonny00:50:24Yeah. I don't think it's her.
JVL00:50:25So you think the homeless, the hobo king. I mean, it's hobo king, not homeless king. Hobo king. Hobo king.
Sonny00:50:30Whatever. Hobo king.
JVL00:50:31You think he kills her?
Sonny00:50:34Him or his men.
JVL00:50:35Oh, so the one who is up on the bridge yelling at them is actually an agent of the hobo king.
Sonny00:50:40Maybe. You know, shooting? Maybe. With a silencer. Confused. That's a good question. I don't know. That's the one real loose end I've not been able to track down in my four viewings. And the fifth. The fifth. I'm going to pay a lot of attention to try to really get that.
JVL00:50:55You know, honestly, though, so long as a movie like this. So, as I said, it's a puzzle box. So long as it solves the central puzzle for you and doesn't cop out of that, which it does, it very much solves the central puzzle, gives you definitive answers about exactly what it is. And what has happened.
Sonny00:51:12It tells you what happened to the girl he's been looking for this whole time.
JVL00:51:15Right. And it tells you conclusively enough about the dog killer and stuff like that. It's okay to leave a couple loose ends. And in fact, I kind of want it to have a couple loose ends. So long as they're small ones. So I don't actually need to know who killed her. I'm glad to have that there are still a couple mysteries in there that aren't solved. I do love the idea of the old rich guy who thinks that he's going to be like a pharaoh.
Sonny00:51:41Who will be discovered in a thousand years. And the people of the future will recognize that he was the true king of Los Angeles.
JVL00:51:50It's amazing.
Sonny00:51:53Yes, it is. It is.
JVL00:51:55And also something that somebody who's rich in LA would do. Could do. Yeah.
Sonny00:51:59100%. Could and would do.
JVL00:52:01Yeah, it's great. Vic. Too sophisticated for me. Not for Sober Vic. Sober Vic would have loved it.
Vic00:52:09I'm not going to watch it again.
Sonny00:52:11I don't think Sober Vic would have loved it.
Vic00:52:12No, I don't think so either. Okay. Do we have any other thoughts? That was an interesting episode. Because I still hold my ground. I'm just saying, despite the fact that I had a little bit to drink. Just a little bit.
JVL00:52:25I didn't like the movie.
Vic00:52:26Okay. Corrections, shoutouts? Nothing. We're good?
JVL00:52:31I don't think so. Okay, good. Gene didn't see it, did he? No.
Vic00:52:35No.
JVL00:52:37Did Dr. Mattis see it?
Vic00:52:38No. You know, Dr. Mattis recommended a movie. He did, and I wrote it down. It's a movie called Sleepless on Netflix. Do you know this movie with Jamie Foxx? No. He sends me a text and he says, Want to see another good action movie in Netflix? Check Sleepless movie. It's about drugs. Jamie Foxx, protagonist. Protagonist. His boy kidnapped corrupt cops. Lots of action. There you go.
Sonny00:53:10Sounds good. That sounds like my kind of movie. Sounds great.
Vic00:53:13I don't even, for me, that might be much. Okay. That's all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments, complaints, compliments, tweet us at SonnyBunch, at Victorino Matus. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes, Google Play, or Stitcher. Just type in Sub-Beacon under Podcasts. We're there. Leave a review. Tell your friends. Until next time.
JVL00:53:40Do you guys have anything?
Vic00:53:46I hope you guys do. No? Nothing? I mean, I'll go out there. I'll brave it. Do it.
JVL00:53:57Do it.
Vic00:53:58Does Sonny's daughter's daughter's too young, but does your daughter or any of your daughters, JVL, play the mash game? You know, the mash game where you, you know, with the paper and you have to...
JVL00:54:10Mansion Apart.
Vic00:54:10Apartment, shack, house. Yes, that one.
JVL00:54:13No.
Vic00:54:14That one. Okay. That was a thing. She hasn't done it in a while, but she had it done. She did it recently. And just to kill time, she said she wanted me to play it. And there were different categories, right?
JVL00:54:28So you had Natalie Portman. No?
Guest00:54:32I lost my earbuds.
JVL00:54:34Hold on.
Vic00:54:36I cannot believe you guessed it. Okay. So I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. So one of the questions is, like, what kind of car? What kind of home? And then one of them was, who were you married to? And then I just said, I'm married to mom. That's why I'm married. Okay. But, you know, it might be somebody else. So pick other people. So I said, okay, fine. And I think I did say Natalie Portman. And then I think I said Emma Watson. And then I was like, and then I just said, you know, maybe, maybe the, you know, maybe the mom down the street. And apparently that did not go over well. Like, apparently that was like a controversy that I could. I said, well, I said, I want to be married to mommy. But if I can't have mommy, you know, why is why?
Sonny00:55:23Apparently that can't say that somebody you pick somebody in your neighborhood. Why? What's wrong with that? Jesus Christ.
JVL00:55:31I am not sure that that's fine.
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