#75. Action Park, Dr. Pepper, and Going to the Mattresses
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The main event is Class Action Park, the HBO Max documentary about the notorious New Jersey water park, and it splits the room. Sonny finds it queasily two-faced: it wants viewers to revel in the lawless freedom of kids maiming themselves and then smash-cuts to a mother weeping over her dead son, and he says he came away feeling "weird and squishy," wishing the filmmakers would hold his hand and just tell him what they think. JVL admits it left him cold for the first seventy minutes — no revelatory interviews, no great footage, the filmmakers stripping an old MTV special like a tribe using every part of the buffalo — but the final ten minutes made him fall in love with it, because the movie isn't about Action Park at all, it's a Gen X memoir and an indictment of the boomers who raised them. He builds the whole case around Chris Gethard's closing line, "we felt like the world was an unsafe place, but it's what we got, so fuck you," and argues a millennial version of this film would be pure grievance with none of the wasn't-that-crazy laughter. Vic, a Jersey native who never went because Vernon was an hour forty-five from Toms River, liked it fine, was staggered to learn Action Park was the evil twin of Great Adventure — itself a death trap, per JVL's Lightning Loops story of a rider surviving the fall only to be run over by the coaster — and was mostly aggrieved that the film keeps invoking lost bikini tops without producing a single frame of evidence, substituting cheap animation instead. They trade horrors: the cannonball loop knocking out teeth, drownings in the wave pool, riders on the chairlift deliberately dropping Alpine slide sleds on people below, and owner Gene Mulvihill's fake insurance company, which ended with U.S. Marshals pulling judgment money out of the park's cash registers. JVL closes by confessing that as a rule-following twelve-year-old he held everyone associated with Action Park in "utter contempt" and wanted to murder them all. Elsewhere: JVL's new 9.5-firmness mattress, aptly named the Plank; Sonny's devotion to Diet Dr. Pepper and Texas fountain options; Vic sweating through three-pepper basil chicken at Peter Chang's; box office notes with The New Mutants at $12.5 million and early Tenet access reportedly near $20 million; a long Sonny rant at the A.V. Club for refusing to see The New Mutants with the general public ("I have been in a hundred million screenings with critics and they are disgusting pigs"); and a technical detour on IMAX versus Dolby in which Sonny declares himself a total IMAX shill.
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#cdata-section -------------- In this latest episode sponsored by Keeps, the Sub-Beacon discusses the documentary Class Action Park . Sonn...
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Guest00:00:00When you talk to other people who went there, there's a certain shared level of sort of survivor's respect. Many of the people you talk to who grew up in New Jersey, laughing about Action Park, if you ask them on a basic level, do you think the way you grew up was healthy for a kid? They'll say no. We laugh about it, because what else are we going to do? But we don't think it was healthy. Then we felt like we were on our own. We felt like the world was an unsafe place. But it's what we got, so fuck you.
Vic00:00:41Hello, and welcome to another edition of The Sub-Beacon, sponsored by Keeps. I'm Victor Matus, along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. Just a reminder, The Sub-Beacon is available on iTunes, Google Play, and Stitcher. Look at our podcast and search for Sub-Beacon. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and leave a review. Gentlemen, how are we? JVL, what's going on? I don't see you. I have a little story for you. Oh boy, here we go.
JVL00:01:08Made a lifestyle purchase. From Spencer's. You went to Spencer's, yes. You fellows may remember a couple years ago when we decided to get a new mattress. And we went through a great deal of mattress research. I compiled a spreadsheet with VORM, the value of a replacement mattresses. And eventually we settled on the Lisa. And it was okay. The Lisa was okay. It worked for like a year and a half or so. And then it turned into a marshmallow. And you mean you just sort of sank into it? Yeah, it was just no support, no support. And this coincided with my wife becoming, really getting into, firm mattresses, which is great because I have always wanted super duper firm. Yep, that's me. And so the Lisa was our compromise mattress, which was, you know, like sort of medium right there. And so once she said, boy, you know, I really wish we had a firmer mattress. I was like, run to the computer and I started the VORMs again.
Vic00:02:19Great sound effects, by the way.
Sonny00:02:21So you have a sleep number bed, so you could each set up your preferred side.
Vic00:02:26You know what number mine is? Don't you?
Sonny00:02:28Sixty nine.
JVL00:02:28Very good.
Vic00:02:31Yeah. How did you know that?
Sonny00:02:32I mean, it's not there's there's really only one number.
Vic00:02:36It could be, frankly, like, like, I don't even know how comfortable it is, but I would purposely make that my number.
Sonny00:02:43I mean, just for the stick, just just so you could just so you could introduce yourself. That's right.
JVL00:02:47Did you know that I have a sleep number bed? It's sixty nine.
Sonny00:02:52Yeah, I like you. There wouldn't even be like a setup or a punchline. Oh, no, I can go right. Yeah. Yeah. You going up, you just go up to homeless people. Be like, have you heard about my sleep number bed? How about you?
Vic00:03:01I'm sure you haven't heard yet. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry, JVL. Yeah, sorry.
JVL00:03:05So I I went looking to see what the absolute firmest mattress that you could legally buy in the United States was. And I found a mattress. Now, the the mattress review universe. Rates mattresses on a scale of one to ten for firmness and a medium firm mattress is typically thought to be about a six point five. A very firm mattress is typically thought to be about a seven point five. And I found a mattress that was double sided. One side mattress, a mattress, right? A mattress on one side. There was a tiny bit of memory foam so that it was. A gooey eight point five. But on the other side. It went all the way to nine point five.
Vic00:04:06On the other side is like bamboo mat.
JVL00:04:09Would you like to know what the name of this mattress is? What? The plank.
Vic00:04:16What is it made of that makes it so hard?
JVL00:04:19It is foam. It is a high density foam. And we got it. And I. I love it. But here's the thing. So here's what. Here's the whole thing. I want to talk to you guys about this is they say, you know, so you have 120 days to decide whether or not you want to keep it. And if you decide you don't want it, they say, you know, please call us first, though, and tell us what what the problem is. And maybe we'll be able to send you some materials to get it customized to your fit, you know. And so if you need it to be a little bit softer, we could send you a little layer of memory foam, a topper, as they call it in the industry. And and that's maybe what most people worry about with the plank is that it might be a little too hard. They might need a little. What I wanted to know is if I were to call them up and say, look, I really like this nine point five. But is there anything you could do to make it a little firmer? What do they do? They just send me a sheet of plywood.
Vic00:05:17I was going to say, I mean, you could you know, it's you're like LBJ. Remember LBJ in the White House, the shower? He had it specially designed. So it's like the the the the shower pressure. It was like it's like, as you said, for circus elephants, you know, it's like really. It's like it's like in Seinfeld. You know, they went to get the the Serbian shower heads. That's that's what you're looking for for mattresses.
Sonny00:05:40It it is coming. They just come and they put a layer of concrete on top.
JVL00:05:45They pour concrete on it.
Sonny00:05:46They back the mixing truck right up to your window and splashes in through the and they, you know, level it off.
Vic00:05:53So your wife is fine with this JVL.
JVL00:05:56She loves it. She loves it. And she has also graduated up like a big girl to a flat pillow. So anyway, that's my story. Sonny, what is up with you in Tejas?
Sonny00:06:09I was just I was before before we started recording. I was talking to Vic about the Dr. Pepper I was drinking and how much I loved it. And Vic said, you know, this is like the official drink of Texas, right? Dr. Pepper is and it is. But I was I was a fan before. I was moving here. I was I've always been a Dr. Pepper.
Vic00:06:26Is it really like everywhere, though, in Texas?
Sonny00:06:30But this so this is like the great thing is that, you know, most places, if you go to a restaurant and you want to get a fountain soda, your diet options are like it's like Diet Coke. That's what you can drink, right? Then that's that's the only diet soda that they have. But lots of places, I won't say all places, but lots of places in Texas also have diet Dr. Pepper, which is awesome. That's not because I like I get that in the office. I mean, I would drink a 12 pack every two days in the office, you know, that and the diet's unkissed. But nobody else drink the diet.
Vic00:07:02Oh, yeah.
Sonny00:07:03I mean, there's there's so many there are so many like lumps of cancer chemicals in my stomach. Right. Because you're fooling your body.
Vic00:07:09You're fooling your body that there's no I just drink in there.
JVL00:07:13What happens in Texas if you go someplace and ask a for a diet, Mr. Pibb? I don't know.
Vic00:07:19I assume I seem to get murdered. Dr. Pepper, the counter. It's like Sprite and 7-Up. I get that. Yeah. Mr. Pibb is the answer to Dr. Pepper. Yeah.
Sonny00:07:29But yeah, yeah. Mr. Pibb is the Dr. Pepper knockoff that Pepsi does or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's all sorts of, you know, knockoff whatever's. But the Kroger is always fully stocked with not just Dr. Pepper and Diet Dr. Pepper. There's also a Dr. Pepper cream.
Vic00:07:49Oh, like like a vanilla. Like it's like it's like a doctor.
Sonny00:07:52It's like Dr. Pepper, but like also vanilla soda. I was going to ask. I've never had it.
Vic00:07:58Are there other flavors of Dr. Pepper?
Sonny00:08:00That's what I mean. There's cherry Dr. Pepper. There's also really. Oh, yeah.
Vic00:08:04You know, we up here. We up here. You people in the North Sea diet and regular.
Sonny00:08:09You people. You people in above, you know, in the in the in up in the north.
Vic00:08:14And you know, the Mason Dixon line.
JVL00:08:16Victorino, what are the odds that I can entice you to sing the Dr. Pepper theme song from the 1980s?
Vic00:08:22He's a pepper. You're a pepper. What is it? I forget.
JVL00:08:27I forget how it goes. Oh, I forget, too. You're going to have to do this on your own.
Vic00:08:30It's nice to be a Dr. Pepper, too, or something like that. I can't remember. But the guy who used to be the star of that commercial, he went on to do two movies. One was Midnight Madness with a very young Michael J. Fox, which is a fantastic scavenger hunt movie that took place in California called Midnight Madness with different groups going after the same stuff. You have to see. Pee Wee Herman. What is it? That movie.
Sonny00:08:54What is it? What is a scavenger hunt movie? That's that is a genre of literally I don't understand.
Vic00:08:59There was like the the misfit gangs and I think the jock gangs and then the nerds and then they were all after the same things. And then some guy had created a guy with like, like, I don't know, a million dollars, whatever it is. And if you find this thing, the ultimate scavenger, it was like the ultimate scavenger hunt that an eccentric millionaire put together. And I think the final clue was at the Bonaventure Hotel. And you can only see it by going up the elevator because it was in the formation of the seats. The chairs were in the formation of what room number it was. It's a really great movie. Midnight Madness. And then the guy, why do I think his name is David? He went on to be he was an American werewolf in London, but he did he but he got to start doing the Dr. Pepper commercial. I know John Podhoretz is screaming his name right now, driving him crazy. David something, I think. OK, yes, that's all. That's all. Victorino, what's up with you there? Because I'm I'm I'm doing I'm feeling actually I'm feeling a little bloated and fiery because I got we had Chinese food today, right? And I ordered it from Peter Chang's, not P.F. Chang's, which is also very nice. More fusion, that is. The F is Fleming. But no, Peter Chang's, which is really great, authentic Szechuan here in Arlington. And, you know, you get the normal things for the kids. My wife, who, you know, is white, so she's not going to handle the spicy stuff, you know, so she gets the. Racist.
Sonny00:10:25Racist.
Vic00:10:26The so I get pork fried rice, the pan fried dumplings, shrimp dumplings. But then I always want to get an entree. And you sometimes it's something that's, you know, that my wife and I will like that that she'll like, you know, some sort of a sweet and sour chicken dish or some sort of a golden mountain, whatever it is. But this time I just I just went for something that I knew was probably going to be mostly for me. And it was, in fact, 80 percent me and 20 percent her. And it was basil. But on the menu, it had the three pepper symbols. Oh, no. Yeah. And as soon as I saw that, I said, I, you know, I had to get it because I'm like one of these people that whenever I see that, it's like a dare. It's a taunt. Like I've and because sometimes, you know, you know, they'll say, oh, you don't want it. You know, it's too spicy. I'm like, well, what do you think I am? You know, of course I'm going to get it. Or sometimes a waiter will say, you know, oh, you can handle it. And I'm not going to say no. So I'm going to get it either way. I've been. Peter Ching's with Dan Halper, our friend, and he likes the ghost pepper beef. That's four peppers symbols for pepper. Some too many peppers. That's insane. But I get it, too, because it's like a mixture of pain and pleasure. If you're into that sort of thing. So I got. Question. Yes.
Sonny00:11:40Vic, did you have you ever gotten into or, you know, I'm actually sitting on a toilet right now. You can't have you ever. That's what that noise was. Have you ever just like a jet engine in the background every time I cough?
Vic00:11:53Yeah.
Sonny00:11:54It's active noise reduction. Uh, did you ever get into the world of like competitive spiciness? Like, so I had friends in college.
Vic00:12:07Yeah, no, I, you know, I've had some really insane like pepper sauces. I haven't. I've eaten peppers, too, but not for the competition, though.
Sonny00:12:18Yeah. But I mean, not even really for competition. I like I had friends in college who would. Go and buy just the most insanely spicy things. And like there, you know, there's a whole scale, the Scoville. Yeah, yeah, that's right. The Scoville, right?
Vic00:12:33Yeah, that's right.
Sonny00:12:33And and like they would just put like toothpicks in them and and like taste them.
Vic00:12:38A little like a morsel.
Sonny00:12:39Yeah, just like just like a little bit because it's not it's not like a sauce. It's an ingredient. You put like a drop in something to make it super spicy, right? I have. It's a fascinating. You should you should write a piece about that sometime because it is it's like it's a it's a weirdly fascinating little. Carolina, Carolina, subunit of of the food and beverage industry.
Vic00:12:59I think I agree. Ghost pepper burping right now. Ghost pepper has already been surpassed by like the Carolina Reaper and these other ones. I remember down in Grand Cayman, the naturally growing peppers, the scotch bonnet and man, a little goes. I mean, you know, sweating. So I had the basil chicken today, which had, you know, just a lot of I think it was mostly just. Jalapenos and stuff, but, you know, they chop it in there, but I sweat and actually Kate actually saw a bead of sweat come down the side of my face as I was eating this thing. But again, I can't say no, but here I am. So I just have to remember to take Tums. But again, it's just one of these situations where, you know, if a waiter, you know, sort of taunts you with it, then I'm going to I'm going to say yes. I can't I can't say no to that. Also, if it's like a young waitress, you know, I'm going to say yes to that, too.
Sonny00:13:52Well, obviously.
Vic00:13:53Speaking of teenagers with amazing powers, the New Mutants took in twelve and a half million dollars, followed by Unhinged with six point four million. And in third place, the SpongeBob movie Sponge on the Run with two million box office thoughts. We're actually going to be talking about SpongeBob movie. Yeah, that's what we're doing today.
JVL00:14:16I mean, the only box office thoughts that matter are Tenet, right? The entire industry is holding its breath.
Sonny00:14:23Yeah. Nobody nobody really seems to have any idea. I mean, Warner Brothers hasn't said I talked to a guy today who suggested that the the number for the early access screenings was something like twenty million dollars over the three days, which would be good considering that New York, L.A., San Francisco, it's I mean, like, again, still like 15 of the top 30 markets are also closed. But but yeah, I mean, I like everyone is just kind of curious to see what happens with Tenet. You know, the the the fact that New York City theaters are still closed is something of a mystery to people at this point, given that they have started opening up gyms and all sorts of other stuff. And New Jersey has decided finally, I think New Jersey is opening this weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I think Maryland is opening this weekend, I believe. Several cities in California, not all of California, but like San Francisco, San Diego are opening.
Vic00:15:31So one part is that the state allows it. And the second part is the the the chains have to decide once they know they can. I mean, the chains. So I thought with Maryland, I wasn't sure what happened.
Sonny00:15:44I so I thought for a while that the chains would kind of be a little more cautious about like just because we have the OK to open, that does not mean we will necessarily open but they're just they're just going for it everywhere. I mean, every everywhere that is open, they are just they're just throwing the doors open. So, you know, it's a it's it is it is a it's an interesting and weird time, you know, but but like, frankly, the new mutants grossing twelve million dollars or whatever this this weekend is kind of a, you know, that's that's that it's a good sign because it's it's more than unhinged made. It's you know. You know, whatever. And this is a movie that was going to get dumped anyway.
Vic00:16:27So this is the movie that the A.V. Club said they're not it's not worth the risk.
Sonny00:16:31Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, this is this is a thing that actually like this is a thing I could I could actually do 20 minutes of just ranting about this. But but the short version is the short version is, you know, so the A.V. Club wrote this really kind of douchey letter saying, like, we're not going to review the new mutants because the studio. Didn't have a press screening and they won't send us a link to review it and we would have to go see it with normal people in the theaters. And look, we'll go to a theater if it's just other critics. You know, we'll go to a press screening where they're where it's just the other critics because, you know, those are those are better movie watchers. It's safer. It's safer to be in a theater with somebody who's Rotten Tomatoes certified. They can't get they can't get covid. They can't be super spreaders. But you go out with the plebs, you go out with the disgusting normal people. And you're just going to get sick. And I like I, you know, I get it. It sounds fair to me. In a certain in a certain sense, I get it, except for the fact that I have been in a hundred million screenings with critics and they are disgusting pigs. They are disgusting pigs. And the idea that, you know, these these critics are going to be, you know, super, super conscious about making sure they keep their masks on, that they're not going to get any concessions or anything. Well, they probably won't get any concessions now because it'll be frowned upon. But the you know, I just like I'm I am so I it it it was a it was a weirdly clarifying moment, I think, to a lot of people, not me, because I have like long known that critics are kind of insufferable in their in their in their self-regard. But the the this whole like, oh, we're not we won't we will go to the theaters, but we won't go. We won't go with the normal public. And I'm just like, man, I went to a showing of the New Mutants on Friday afternoon that had four people in it, you know, and they were all wearing their masks and they it was it was totally fine. Was it worth the risk? Seven people in it. It had seven people in it. But there was a family, a mother and two young, young, young children. And they left after about 30 minutes when it turns out that the the main character is gay. There's a it's a, you know.
Vic00:18:53You don't know that's why they left. You don't know that's why they left.
Sonny00:18:56Not good for the kids.
Vic00:18:57You mean, is it is it the guy from Stranger Things?
Sonny00:19:00No, no, it's it's it's Maisie Williams, the girl from Game of Thrones and the like native
JVL00:19:09girl who is the lead character in this.
Sonny00:19:12Was it worth risking my life to see the New Mutants? Yes, absolutely. It was because it's not really that much of a risk. It's all this shit is so overblown.
Vic00:19:19I was going to say, you know, but it would suck. Imagine if you got, you know. The covid from seeing, you know, Spongebob, you know, if I got it from seeing Tenet, it
Sonny00:19:27was worth it. If I got it from seeing the New Mutants, it was not worth it. I have a question. Sure. I've seen Tenet, by the way. We could you want me to talk about Tenet?
JVL00:19:39No, I want to talk a public service, a very serious question about Tenet. Sure. If you are offered the choice to see Tenet at a Dolby Cinema Theater or on an IMAX screen, not the real IMAX, but the LIMAX. So yeah, which of those is preferable, Sonny?
Vic00:20:04Hold on before he answers that. What do you mean not the real IMAX? Because I'm seeing it at an IMAX on Sunday.
Sonny00:20:09So to answer Vic's question first, the difference between IMAX and LIMAX is a thing that I used to be more hung up on than I am now. So IMAX, you know, IMAX is like when you think of the original IMAX, it's like the big air. Space Museum or whatever. And then there's the multiplex IMAX, which are which are essentially just like bigger, bigger screens, but not like the huge kind of football field size screens. Right. But but I will say that the the the decrease in quality in the average screening room in a in a multiplex theater combined with the absolute uniformity of quality in an IMAX branded. Auditorium has led me to like just abandoned the LIMAX thing. I just go because I know that the picture is going to be in focus. It's going to be in the right aspect ratio and the picture is going to be bright. I mean, those are those like I know that it's going to be better than an average theater in the multiplex. To answer your question, JVL, if I was forced to choose between those two options, I would probably take the IMAX. I have I have. Had more issues in Dolby branded look premium large formats theaters than I have in IMAX branded premium format theaters. I am a I am like a total shill for IMAX at this point.
JVL00:21:38So it is worth the tradeoff of screen size for contrast, dark contrast, because I think that's what you get better in the Dolby. The Dolby projector is giving you better dark contrast. At least that's what they tout.
Vic00:21:52When I went to see, that's what the first thing they showed you was the
Sonny00:21:55yeah, yeah, they they they make a very big deal about their their ultra dark blacks again. I mean, I don't know which projector has puts out more, you know, lumens or whatever, you know, I don't I don't know. I don't know what the actual the numbers are, but I do. I'm just saying anecdotally from experience, I've had more problems in Dolby branded like the Dolby Atmos at AMC Georgetown, the Dolby in AMC Hoffman. I've had more problems with those theaters than I ever have with an IMAX, which always has like a pretty standard and high level of projection quality.
JVL00:22:39OK, well, then I will once my KN95 Chinese knockoff masks are delivered, I will be going to see the IMAX version.
Sonny00:22:48You're going to you're going to wear the KN95 instead of the N95 that you ordered. Didn't you order N95?
JVL00:22:53Uh, if the N95s get here at the same time, I will order an N95. I only ordered a couple N95s. I ordered like 200 KN95s.
Vic00:23:03I'm just wearing the regular surgical, the mask, you know?
JVL00:23:06Yeah, well, that's good for you. Good luck.
Vic00:23:08I've been wearing that everywhere. Haven't killed anyone yet. Uh, I'm going to, uh, uh, the IMAX with super spreader. That's right. I have no idea. I'm going to what is IMAX with laser? Because that's what they offered at Tyson's. So I took it. I just called for something because it was like Dolby.
Sonny00:23:27No, no, no. So there, the, the, uh, without getting into too many details there, there are different IMAX projectors, there's IMAX film, there's IMAX laser. Most of the, uh, multiplex IMAXs are IMAX laser. Okay. Um, but there, there, there are still a handful of IMAX I mean, like literally a handful. I think there's only three or four theaters left in the country that do IMAX film. Um, I think I'm not, I don't, I'm not a hundred percent sure on that. So don't die if I get an angry, okay. If the, if I, if the good people at IMAX are listening and would like to discuss this with me on my podcast, the bulwark goes to Hollywood, that would be fantastic.
Vic00:24:11Well, we are not actually discussing that quite yet because not everyone has seen it. However, I think all of us has seen, have seen, uh, a documentary on HBO max and that's what we're talking about today, uh, about action park known as class action park. So, uh, JVL, were you able to see it?
JVL00:24:32I was finally able to watch it on my computer. Yeah. What happened JVL?
Vic00:24:37Yeah. What's going on there?
JVL00:24:38So I went and signed myself up for HBO max and it turns out that HBO max is not available to stream on either Amazon fire devices or Roku devices. Now, between. Amazon fire Roku makeup, I believe 75% of the entire streaming device market.
Sonny00:24:58I think it may even be higher than that. I think it may be 80%.
JVL00:25:01And now HBO max was not launched over a weekend. This had been planned out by the good people at time Warner and AT&T for something like three years. And to launch in a way that makes it impossible to, to watch it on the majority of things, which I just don't even understand. How that can happen.
Sonny00:25:25Now you, you, I, as I told you, you realize that this is a function, not so much of HBO slash Warner brothers, but Roku playing hardball with them. They are, they are asking for more from HBO than, than they are asking from other, uh, content providers. They want, um, they want, they want like free content for their, uh, stuff. They want, you know, uh, they want, they want to make sure that all of the subscriptions come through the Roku channel rather than letting people buy directly through the app, which gives Roku all sorts of data about how people are using it, et cetera, et cetera. Um, to the point that Warner Warner like said, all right, fine. We'll do it that way, but you have to take a lesser cut of the, the, you know, um, the subscriptions we'll trade you. We'll basically trade you money for data. And Roku said, no, we're not going to do that. So I like, I, I don't have a ton of, I mean, obviously. For people who want to watch HBO max stuff through Roku, but I'm, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, come down on the side of HBO max on this one.
JVL00:26:32Well, this isn't about what's fair. It's about what you do to successfully launch a product. And if HBO max would like to have a moral victory in which they say we stood up to the meanies of Roku, that's fine. I guess. Uh, although AT&T is what 50,000 times the size of Roku. I mean, Roku is a like $200 million business total. I think, you know, I mean, they should just buy Roku at that point. If it's, if it is them so cheesed off, they should just go out and buy the company. It's not that big.
Sonny00:27:05I didn't have any problem watching it on my Apple TV.
JVL00:27:08Well, that's, that's fine. I, again, it just strikes me as crazy to do that. And also a lot of these gripes, you know, so how many, what percentage of the signups are actually happening through the Roku TV app? Versus what I think most people do, which is they go through their browser, right? You, you buy the thing or do your subscription on your browser because it's easier to type. Your credit cards are stored. You're not trying to input your credit card in a annoying way. And then you do the little magic code where, you know, you're, you pull up the Roku app on your TV and it says, go to hbomax.mytv slash and then HBO Max, right? Enter the six digit code and then bam, like you're just good to go. You're not monkeying around passwords. I'd be shocked if this isn't how the majority of people do it. Yeah. But the answer is you pay the toll, right? If you are, if you are AT&T and you are launching a streaming service because you actually want to compete in the streaming wars, then whatever the toll is, you pay it.
Sonny00:28:09I guess, I guess.
Vic00:28:10I mean, I like, they'll buy Roku once they unload direct TV, then they can get Roku. They have a little problem there on their hands. But that's what I did because we have Verizon. I just, they just add, you know, on, you just, they give you that code and then, and then suddenly. It was fine.
JVL00:28:27You know, the truth is they use so much lousy grainy footage that I would have been annoyed to have it contaminated, just have it contaminating my glorious 65 inch UHG screen.
Vic00:28:39The animation was sort of a shortcut for, you know, the urban legends part of, well, we'll get, we'll get to that later on. How about a, how about a quick, a sort of a big boy review?
Sonny00:28:48Somebody class action park. There's a documentary about the, uh, water park slash go-kart park slash death trap. Uh, that is the New Jersey legend action park. Uh, it is, it's kind of a weird documentary because in, on, on the one hand it is couched as let's look at all, let's listen to all of these like famous and semi-famous New Jersey or like all these, I mean, there's like three like actors from New Jersey who were in this documentary. Um, you know, I didn't even know they were.
Vic00:29:22Like I was wondering why they were choosing these people. I had no idea.
Sonny00:29:24Yeah. Yeah. So the, the one guy who had like the like members only jacket or whatever, like he is, he's totally, uh, it's not a members only jacket, but you know, I didn't, whatever that he's, he's an actor. And then there's a, an actress from, um, who's probably best known from, uh, Parks and Rec. She played like the, the, um, the local news person on Parks and Rec, whatever. Uh, but so you have these, you have these, these like semi-famous people talking about going to action park. And then you have people who. Who worked at the park, talking about working at action park and how it was like a den of, you know, iniquity, uh, for all the, the teens who worked there and also a death trap from up for all the people who went there. Um, and you had, and you had some like higher ups and they're kind of talking about like this kind of like wink, wink, nudge, nudge, like, yeah, it was a dangerous, but we grew up. And then there's like kind of, there's almost like a smash cut to like a woman whose kid died in the park and she's crying and her son who lived is there and he's crying and it's like. It's like, oh crap. We're like having, we're like having all this like kind of wink, wink, nudge, nudge fun about this park. But people actually did die here. Like multiple people in the 15 years died at this park. And there's, uh, there's part of me when I am, I mean, it's, it's, I, it's hard to, it's hard to say how much of this is intentional on the part of the documentary filmmakers and how much of it is just kind of like, uh, you know. You know, whatever. But there, there's a part of me that really thinks they're trying to have it both ways. They want us, they want us to really enjoy this idea of this freedom, this world of freedom where kids could just go and roam and hurt themselves. And, you know, it was, and then also like scold us for thinking like, oh yeah, look at this fun place. That's great. Like New Jersey, this is such, this is New Jersey right here. I, I, part of, I just felt weird. I felt weird and squished. I felt squeaky watching it. And, and I, I, again, like you can watch documentaries where the documentarians do this on purpose. They make you feel, they make you feel bad and awkward. And maybe I just need them to hold my hand a little bit more and tell me what they think on this. But I, I got, I really got the sense they were trying to have it both ways. They were trying, they were trying to both like moralize and also like celebrate and revel in the, the disgustingness of this. I don't know. What did you guys, what did you guys make of it?
JVL00:31:55JVL Victorino, you are the only one of the three of us who has been to action. No, I've never been to action.
Vic00:32:00Oh, you didn't go because it's in Vernon. And anyone who lives in New Jersey, whatever you saw, like the commercials, they would something, they show you where Vernon is. You may, you might as well be, you know, it's like right on near the border to going into New York state, New York state. So, I mean, if you lived in Morristown, you know, summit, I guess, you know, up there. Oh, great. You know, you can go. You can go up there and, uh, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Sonny00:32:25Uh, explain to somebody who doesn't understand the geography of New Jersey.
Vic00:32:31How far were you from how I'm telling you, Sonny, it's like Texas down here. It's up there. You know, I mean, it's like Texas, like going from like Waco to going from Waco, let's say Waco to like, uh, or I'll pass it to San Antonio, right? So we're all Galveston on the coast, right? Same thing. Like Vernon from Tom's river. Yeah. Okay. Tom's river to Vernon is an hour 45, Sonny.
JVL00:32:55The reason, the reason is because Tom's river to six flags. Great adventure is 30 minutes in Jackson.
Vic00:33:03So I always thought that there must've been some geographical, geographical divide. I, but I think, you know, a lot of New Yorkers also went down a great adventure. What I, the takeaway for me, and this, I'd like to know from JVL is to his fellow New Jerseyans here. I had no idea, you know, when you grow. You see the commercials for action park and I just figure, okay, well, that's great adventure for North Jersey, but we don't go there. Cause it's really far up there. And great adventures is fine. After watching the documentary, I had no idea that action park was the poor man's great adventure. It makes great adventure look like Epcot, you know, and I mean, based on the documentary and so all, you know, I mean, everything was extremely unsafe. I mean, obviously, you know, there was elements of that at great adventure, but it's part of the larger six flags corporation JV.
JVL00:33:51Yeah, it, so I knew of the legend of action park because action park was something that, you know, you knew somebody whose brother's cousin's girlfriend had gone to action park and gotten jacked up. And we would talk about it as, as the, the action park is the evil twin of great adventure, which people should understand is a big deal because people died at great adventure. Oh my gosh. Great adventure was an absolute death trap. And so for action. Action park to be the evil twin of great adventure was really saying something.
Vic00:34:27I didn't.
Sonny00:34:28It's great adventure is six flags. Yes. Yes. So like six flags over Texas. And it was still like a, it was still a death trap.
Vic00:34:35Their acts, look, accidents happen at, you know, many theme parks. Oftentimes they try to, you know, house. Oh, get to that in a second there. Did you want to, would you like loops free fall free fun? Okay. Do you remember the story? But we, we don't know. Oh, it's what you heard. What did you hear about free fall JVL hair?
Sonny00:34:55Now we're talking about a woman that is not actually, that is about this movie at all, but that's okay.
Vic00:35:00But go ahead. JVL. So the free fall, you were saying the free fall, you're going to kill me for this, by the way. That's right. Speaking of hair loss, two out of three guys will experience some form of male pattern baldness. By the time they're 35, the best way to prevent hair loss is to do something about it. While you still have hair left, get treated at home. You used to have to go to the doctor's office for your hair loss prescription. Now, thanks to Keeps, you can visit a doctor online and get hair loss medication delivered right to your home. They make it easy and deliver your medication every three months. So you can say goodbye to pharmacy checkout lines and awkward doctor visits. I know what that's like. Find out why Keeps has more than five star reviews than any of its competitors. And more than a hundred thousand men trust Keeps for their hair loss prevention medication. Keeps treatment starts at just $10 a month, plus for a limited time, you can get your first, month free. So if you're ready to take action and prevent hair loss, go to keeps.com slash sub-beacon to receive your first month of treatment for free. That's K-E-E-P-S dot com slash sub-beacon. JVL, so what did you think about the documentary then?
JVL00:36:10So Class Action Park left me cold for the first 70 minutes. It's a 90 minute documentary. And because they just don't have... They don't have the goods, right? They are not sitting on any special interviews that really blow you out of the water with revelations. They don't have a ton of amazing footage. They seem to have taken and like the Native American tribe using every part of the buffalo, taken like every single bit of meat out of an MTV special that was shot at Action Park.
Sonny00:36:46Who was that, by the way, Victorino? Ricky Rackman, wasn't it?
JVL00:36:51Who did not have MTV? I don't know who any of these people are.
Vic00:36:54Oh, you mean the guy because they got the special, the clip from when MTV went to Action Park.
Sonny00:37:02Yeah. Looked familiar. Isn't it? Is that who it is? Isn't his name like Ricky Rackman or something like that?
Vic00:37:06Oh, that's who it is. That's, that was, that set me back.
JVL00:37:13So they're really milking that stuff because they don't have a lot of the goods.
Vic00:37:16Yeah. And like we were saying, a lot of the filler is that animation because it's people's anecdotes.
JVL00:37:21You remember about it, right? Right. So, so then it's always right to say that this, this left me really cold until the last 20 minutes and the turn that they make in the final 20 minutes and then really the last 10 minutes was so powerful that I kind of fell in love with the movie because what you have to understand, and the problem here I think is that Sonny is too young for it, is that this is not about Action Park. This is a memoir about generation. That's right. That's right.
Vic00:37:53This is because you can do things like that, like, like, uh, we just go out to play. Nothing is structured. There's no helicopter parenting. You know, we did whatever we want. Uh, one of the guys talks about like, you know, saying, oh, what did you do over the weekend? Oh, we were checking out the abandoned mental hospital and somebody else was visiting, uh, you know, the uncle in freehold. And that's true. I know people who did weird, crazy things like that.
JVL00:38:14So this is, I mean, the, the movie starts out and you think to yourself, oh, this could be a story about real estate. It could be a story about. Crazy, weird, New Jersey. It could be a story about divorce. Uh, it could be a story honestly about how most of capitalism is fraud, uh, the, and how, you know, every once in a while you get Jeff Bezos, but mostly capitalism gives you Jordan Balfour's and Jean Mulville's, uh, but what it really is a root is about the gen X versus Boomer generational conflict. And the, the key to it was really the whole movie is brought together by Chris Cathard. Who is, I guess like a podcast host. He's the members only guy.
Sonny00:38:55Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
JVL00:38:58And so he's an actor. He's been in, he's been in like two things. I think he's a standup mostly in a podcast host and he, he is the, he is the heart of the movie and what he, the, the case he makes at the end, which is why I think the mood, I think the documentary actually earns having it both ways is he says, look, we laughed about all this because what else were we going to do? We don't actually think it's healthy. And this is, this is the very key. He says, we felt like we were on our own. We felt like the world was an unsafe place, but it's what we got. So fuck you. And that sums it up perfectly. And this is why you can, you can look at all of the crazy hijinks because it is, as he says, like it's the type of thing that you laugh about F with your friends after you've had a couple of beers. But when you're talking about with your, with your therapist, you're not laughing at all. And that's the, the entire basis of the generation X and boomer relationship, you know, the boomers were a terrible, terrible generation who fucked up in every possible way, both as stewards of the country and, uh, as parents. And this is what they did. And, and the gen Xers basically refused to whine about it. And this is why, you know, they, they basically just say, look, we got hosed by our parents who sucked. We understand that, but we're not going to whine about it. And we're just going to try to do better for our own kids. And that is why you get to have, just imagine the millennial version of this, right? So the millennial version of this documentary would have none of the boy wasn't the shit crazy. It would be all look how horrible this thing is. Look at how terrible these people are, right? There would be none of the, because they, they have to take everything so personally and everything is so serious and they're all about grievance, but gen X doesn't do grievance. They just sort of accept the unfairness of the world as part of the. Natural state of man. There.
?00:40:54Fair.
Vic00:40:55I liked it.
Sonny00:40:56I thought it was funny and the rides were crazy about the crazy rides at all.
Vic00:41:03We didn't even take notes that we got this deep dive into why capitalism is evil. Oh my goodness.
Sonny00:41:08And also gen X is good.
JVL00:41:09Yeah.
Sonny00:41:10So, so Victorino.
JVL00:41:11Yes. Yeah. Can I, can I, can I project into your brain? Your big complaint. I don't think I would. I don't think I would have wanted to go to action park by the way, but here is your big complaint about the movie. Um, they talk on like four separate occasions about how girls in bikinis jumping off the Tarzan swing and losing their bikini top, not one yet in every single one of those video clips.
Vic00:41:35It was like, there's not a single boobie like an animated thing again, again, it was a crutch for that.
JVL00:41:41As I was watching this, I could hear you saying the word gyp.
Vic00:41:45Oh yeah, totally. I'm like, oh, come on. I mean, that's the whole point. It was either, you know, like some sort of blurry story. Sort of girls gone wild clip, you know, that they would show because they had other clips that were reminiscent of that when they're showing the parties that the, you know, the people who work there, it was, you know, it was, it was, it was a crazy time, but, uh, yeah. So that was a big disappointment. Uh, no, I mean, it's, it's, it did not look like a, I mean, I liked the rides. There were a lot of cool rides, great adventure, great adventure was dangerous too. I mean, you were saying this earlier, not just rides, but you have gangs fighting in there and things like that.
JVL00:42:21Do you remember the lightning loops death?
Vic00:42:24Okay. Let me get this straight. Lightning loops and great adventure. A guy fell while it was upside down, landed on the rail and then got run over.
JVL00:42:37Survived the drop down to the track only to be killed when the coaster ran him over.
Vic00:42:43I don't know why I'm laughing because I, it was like, and I can't be true, but that's okay. So I guess, I guess because the two of us say this now, I guess we've confirmed it. Then that's how it happened. It's real. Okay. Well, the free thing we talked about. Okay. And the girl got her hair caught in the thing and that was the end of that scalp. And then, uh, Roaring Rapids was another one because a guy was, and there's a action park had their own version, their, their poor man's version of, uh, Oh, it is with like inflatable rafts. Yeah. Well, it's not safe and it's insane. And, uh, like he wanted to be like the Colorado river is what he said with like, you know,
JVL00:43:18class four rapids. Yeah. All of these, all of these water rides, it turns out are simply being powered by spring water. That's just around. Nothing's being chlorinated. Nothing is being disinfected or cleaned pond while you jump in and there are fish and snakes and whatever.
Vic00:43:35Well, that, and also I love the reference, by the way, I love the reference to code Brown. Oh, who's doing that anyway? Uh, Sonny snorts, uh, it's New Jersey. That was the thing that was the least surprising. It's, you know, I mean that. But again, a lot of those people coming in were from New York. I'm just saying that. And you know what? That's like JVL. They come down. If you ever see, uh, if you see, um, well, what, what was the MTV show? Jersey shore. Um, yeah, Jersey shore, Jersey shore from New York. That's exactly right. And they come down and, and, and action park, it was just a hop, skip and a jump. So you know that there, there was that, uh, but the haunted mansion, by the way, and then we'll get back to this, by the way, this is a tangent since none of us have been to action park. One of our listeners that we didn't live in Morris town, Moore's town and Tom's river. Um, the haunted mansion was the one where that was that you could not bury that story. You could not just say, okay, let's try to make sure nobody really gets it covered because a lot of people died in that one. And that was a fire in the haunted mansion, which was a series of trailers and there were fake exits.
JVL00:44:43And so, uh, and the real exits were changed shut. So the real fire exits were changed shut. Tried to get out and couldn't. I thought that was the end of great adventure, but it wasn't. So yeah, you couldn't kill that thing. So here's a question for you boys. If we, if we could go back in time to action park, which of those rides would you want to give out a try battle tanks? That's the safest one for me, the story of the guy setting the tennis balls on fire and shooting was pretty amazing story.
Vic00:45:19But other than that, I think it would have been okay. Maybe I know it's like they, they seem like metal struck. I mean, it's like bumper cars, but a lot more dangerous. The driving thing. What did they say? They can go 50, 60 miles an hour.
Sonny00:45:33Yeah.
Vic00:45:34Yeah.
Sonny00:45:35I like the one that was basically the ski luge on concrete. The Alpine slide. Yeah. I was like, oh, that looks like fun.
Vic00:45:45People on the chair lifts would come by and then sometimes they drop the. On purpose. Yeah.
JVL00:45:50This is the most, this is the thing which, which really gets to the heart of the cruelty of all this is that it was not the kids who were at action park. So if action park was the evil twin of great adventure, the kids who were there were the evil twins of the people who went to great adventure.
Vic00:46:08That's correct.
JVL00:46:09Because it was not basically, Hey, we're all in this together. It was like, we're all gonna punish each other.
Vic00:46:13Yeah.
JVL00:46:14Yeah. And you know, so this is why, as they say in the, in the documentary, there are fights breaking out constantly and you even had again, so you have to, for people who have not seen class action park to do this ride called the, uh, what did we say it was called the, the, the slalom, whatever, the Alpine slide, you had to take a chairlift up to the top of the hill and you brought your little slide with you and people would purposely drop their slides in an effort to hit the people who were on their way down.
Vic00:46:45Yeah.
JVL00:46:46Who does that?
Vic00:46:47That is psychotic. That's up there.
JVL00:46:49That's those are the people.
Vic00:46:51Very Jersey.
JVL00:46:52This is, this is, this is when, when the rest of the country thinks about New Jersey, when
Sonny00:46:57the rest of the country thinks about New Jersey, this is what they think about. They think about this and the Pine Barrens episode of New York, uh, Sopranos is just,
Vic00:47:06I would say the, the, you know, the, the, in terms of crazy rides, don't forget the Aqua scoot, which they said was like, she said it was like when you're going so far, you basically get a colonic out of it. So maybe I try that. That ride. I don't know.
JVL00:47:20Not after you did the, uh, ghost peppers after the, I could use it.
Sonny00:47:25I need a little, I think my favorite thing, I think my favorite thing about this park is that multiple people drowned in the wave pool, the grave pool, a wave pool. That's supposed to be like the safest thing you can do.
Vic00:47:38You know, this is the thing, and this is for somebody like myself who is not a, uh, as you know, a science engineering or physics oriented person, two things. One was that, uh, that w what was it called the cannonball, uh, the cannonball loop, right? The cannon, the cannonball loop, which is the first, uh, insane ride. They talk about where people were breaking teeth and getting lacerations going through that. Because again, the physics of that, like what, what do they expect the body to do when it goes up in the round? You know what I mean? Cause you're going to hit, you know, the, the, the upper part of that, of, of that tube really hard. And then, uh, and then, and then there was a, there was another ride. Then I thought, Oh, the wave pool thing was really interesting because they said, it's not like you don't get automatically buoyed, right.
JVL00:48:24By the, the way it's all water.
Vic00:48:27That's right. And so I found that interesting so that you, you actually have to sort of like tread every time the water goes up, you know, and, and, and I'm sure a lot of those people were not on anything floatable.
Sonny00:48:38Well, and, and, and in the, in the documentary, they talk about people getting in there who couldn't swim. And I'm just like, who are you people like, how do you.
Vic00:48:47Yeah. That, that happens. I know somebody who went into a friend's pool, a grown person too, by the way, uh, and went down the slide, hoping that he wouldn't land too much into the deep end. And of course he did. And then he was like, Oh my gosh, I can't swim. I'm drowning. And luckily somebody rescued him, but how embarrassing, why would you do that?
?00:49:09God.
Sonny00:49:10Anyway. Idiots. Yeah, I know. I mean, this is, this is the, the largest point from people are idiots. People are complete idiots.
Vic00:49:18Oh, the other thing is this, you know, and I mean, they do, they talk about all the action at action park. If you know what I mean, especially despite in the gross areas, you mean, you mean sex, how dare you said he is a family podcast. Uh, and, and, and, and I would, I would see like, you know, you're like that. It's like the, the, the, the, the cabin thing with all the smells, it's gross. Okay. But you know, that was so very common at the time. And I have two anecdotes. One of what both, I think we've talked about this on previous episodes. One is a friend of mine, a new guy who worked at action park, collecting the tickets. And anytime he saw a girl that he thought was somewhat attractive, he would just say, Hey, you want to hook up? And you know, 99% of the time, you know, they're like, ew, gross, get away from me. But when you're collecting that many tickets, the odds are probably, they're in your favor. Only got to work once. And so it did like, you know, like, like several times, that's the story. Okay. The other one is, you know, the haunted mansion. If you went in there, there were people whose jobs were, they would dip their hand in ice cold water and then grab you in the dark. Who were they grabbing and what kind of PR okay. Let's assume the person working there, I'm guessing it's a guy and that's your job. That's your job is like, what do you get paid to? I get to pay for cheap fields, you know, and that's, that's true. That's exactly what happened. That's JVL speechless.
JVL00:50:46I, I was just curious as to where you were going with that haunted mansion.
Vic00:50:52You could ask.
Sonny00:50:53It could have gone a couple of different ways.
Vic00:50:55Every now and then I thought it was girl, but no, that was not, that was, so did you,
JVL00:50:59were you guys not taken by the, one of the things we should, we should make it the joke in the title of this movie is that the guy almost never paid out in the, so the, the fellow who ran this Gmail bill. Had fake insurance. So he had, he faked his own insurance policy for the park with a, and he made up an insurance company and then made up the insurance policy and his, what he did was whenever he just will refuse to settle. So whenever somebody sued him for injury or death, he would just say, no, we're going to fight this out in court and I'm just going to pay, I'll pay my lawyer, but I'm not going to pay you and I'll, I'll bear you in legal fees. And then. So on the occasions when he lost, he would simply refuse to pay the judgment. And because again, he would, he would just believe that, uh, you, people were not going to spend the money to go through election. Right. Yeah. But there is, I think the general manager, former general manager tells about how on a few occasions when people actually went to, to all the trouble to get the judgment enforced, it would be the us marshals who show up and the us marshals would come to action park. And go to the business office and literally take the money that was owed to litigants and defendants out of the registers.
?00:52:24Yeah.
Vic00:52:26Yeah.
JVL00:52:27Ooh, capitalism. Yay. Capitalism.
Sonny00:52:31All right, Bernie.
Vic00:52:33Thank you. Elizabeth Warren. Uh, okay. Do we, do we have any other thoughts on class action class action park?
JVL00:52:42Anything else to share? I really, I really liked it. I'm surprised you didn't like it more.
Vic00:52:46Vic. No, I liked it. Fine. I liked it.
JVL00:52:50Just fine. Okay. Yeah, definitely. Again, your childhood wasn't as unhappy as mine.
Vic00:52:54There was a lot of, uh, projecting there, I think a lot of anger. There was a lot of anger in this episode. It's a, you know, it's a, but I do agree. I mean, you know, the eighties were like, they, nobody cared. We biked without helmets, you know, I mean, our kids think that's crazy who does that, you know, but who, who did, who are, you know, we didn't wear seatbelts, you know, again, people think this is. This is extremely crazy yet. Here we are. So, um, I appreciated that. But, uh, again, they, they, there was a lot of anger in that documentary because part of it is, yeah, we got to do it. And then the other part is how are we allowed to do this? We shouldn't have been, you know, there's a little bit of that I thought, but, uh, no, it's fine. But definitely, it was definitely a trip down memory lane and with a very dark turn, uh, with the, um, you know, they obviously were able to interview the family, so of the, uh, the kid who died. So anyway, okay. That's it. Yeah. That's all I got. Note. Okay. Uh, corrections and shout outs. Uh, just, uh, thank you again to a lot of listeners who continue to send their condolences and mask cards, uh, for me, uh, shout outs to Keshia Jayabalan and also Charlotte and Craig Reineck. Uh, they're the ones I finally found out they're the ones who sent me the Palm cookbook, which is really actually very, uh, very good. And Reineck is clean. Clean corner in German, by the way. Also Canadian listener and friend Ian Brody tells us, we talked about the Canadian currency last episode. Um, and he explained, you were, you were right. I think Sonny mentioned the Looney or was that JVL and one of you mentioned the Looney and um, maybe it was JVL and he says, when we ended the paper dollar and replaced it with a dollar coin, the side without the queen had a loon in it mostly still mostly does. So the name Looney stuck. So every day, every episode and that's one to grow on when the grow on. Okay. Another great thing from the eighties, uh, that all the time we're giving to this, this amazing episode, uh, wait till next week, you know, it's just a teaser because obviously we know what's coming up, uh, questions, comments, complaints, compliments, tweet us at Sonny Bunch at Victorino Mattis again, be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes. Google play or Stitcher, just type in Sub-Beacon at a podcast. We're there. Leave a review. Tell your friends until next time.
Sonny00:55:25It's funny, Vic, it's funny that it's funny that you hadn't gone because Beth and I were trying to guess before, before the show, if Vic had gone, we assume, I mean, I, I just assumed you all had never gone to this place to action park.
Vic00:55:43Yeah. Strictly geographical though. And if we lived up and more.
Sonny00:55:46It wasn't an objection. It wasn't a moral objection.
Vic00:55:48We wouldn't, we wouldn't have known. I don't think we would have known, especially as kids. I think you just show up and then it would have been, I would have been terrified.
JVL00:55:55Even as a 12 year old boy, I held every single person associated with action park in utter contempt. Was it because of the commercials or you just, yeah, I could just tell, I knew exactly who those people were. They're the people who thought that rules didn't apply to them. This is, you know what? Here, let me circle back and get a little angrier here. The entire pitch of action park, which is where you make the rules was to me as a, a young lad, uh, deeply offensive because my job, as I saw it was to follow the rules of all the authority figures to the utmost in order to get all of the achievements and go further than anybody else and then get all of the winnings and prizes afterwards. And the idea. The idea that, that these, these bums and, and did with, with their generates the absolute gym with their, their marijuana cigarettes and their, their cans of beer, Steins of beer at the October 5th out there doing whatever the fuck they wanted. And that they would, none of that would go on their permanent record that they would somehow be able to go to college and then get into medical school and then have a job later on. Deeply offensive. I wanted to murder all of them.
Sonny00:57:15Well, you know that those people all got, uh, uh, engraved invitations to come to Georgetown, right? Like if you went to Clash of Action Park, you made it, you made it through, you made it out. You went down the Alpine slide.
Vic00:57:26They went from, they went from the Alpine slide to Del Barton to Georgetown.
JVL00:57:34What time is it, Dick? I'm sure it's fine. It's fine. I'm sure it's fine.
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